Towing 14-18k with a tune??

[DCSpecial]

I'm looking at getting a gooseneck trailer for my 07 F-350.....either a 14k-18k model (most likely 14k).

Anyways, is there any issue running a "Tow Tune" while towing in that weight range?


Of course, I'll have an exhaust, gauges and I'm guessing I'll need a bigger intake as well...........but anything else mod wise that I would need to safely run a tune at that weight??

How good is the stock intake for air flow?


Gonna wait till I have more miles on the truck till I do anything, only have 4200 miles on it now.

[Wildcat]

I should have around 5500 miles before i get in Miami on Tuesday to pick up our new boat. The boat and trailer weigh in between 13000 to 14000 together. I will be towing with Dougs tow tune so we will see how it does. Im pretty curious to see how it pulls. But im also running a dually to a srw.

Dougs tow tunes are the best. The stock intake is fine but a Airaid will help with the EGT's. You can also do the Zoodad mod to help out as well.

[heinzboy]

You shouldn't have any issues towing that weight Dan. Make sure you get the aggressive tow haul mode though. The stock air intake will provide enough flow.

[DCSpecial]

Foster,

Cool, let me know how it does.

Side question: How do you like the Alpine with the BlackBird docked to it??



I've towed 10k (off of the reciever hitch) plenty of times and it does quite well. I've heard that the gooseneck tows much better though.....

[heinzboy]

The cargo alone here weighs well over 15000 pounds.
http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/photopost/data//500/medium/IMG_2199.JPG

[heinzboy]

Your going to love the goosenech vs the bumper pull.

[DCSpecial]

Toby,


I didn't think so, but I also read Viv post up that they don't recommend any tune if towing over 8500lbs.
Hell, 8500 lbs isn't much, IMO.
I need another skid steer either this year or next year.....and the one I want ways over 9000lbs itself, add on the multiple buckets, pallet forks, transport chains, binders, etc..... plus the trailer and I'll easily be close to 14k


I may ditch the stock intake at some point anyway......but I thought that they flowed okay and I'm good at changing them in less than 5minutes now.

[heinzboy]

Look at the squat here.

http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/photopost/data/500/IMG_21981.JPG

[DCSpecial]

Damn Toby....that's a lot of shit. What brand of trailer is that? How do you like it?



I need one that the center of the two ramps levels out as well to use the full length of the trailer (mainly for plants).

[Abrannan19]

did you just quote VIV..wtf is this?

[heinzboy]

Toby,


I didn't think so, but I also read Viv post up that they don't recommend any tune if towing over 8500lbs.
Hell, 8500 lbs isn't much, IMO.
I need another skid steer either this year or next year.....and the one I want ways over 9000lbs itself, add on the multiple buckets, pallet forks, transport chains, binders, etc..... plus the trailer and I'll easily be close to 14k


I may ditch the stock intake at some point anyway......but I thought that they flowed okay and I'm good at changing them in less than 5minutes now.

I have no idea what Vivs reasoning is behind the low weight towing. It maybe the legality question behind it. Eric has also told his tow tune can go up to factory pulling capabilities. Ask Doug what a guy named Casey in this area pulls as far as weight.

[heinzboy]

The trailer is an H@H trailer. It is HEAVY....Again HEAVY. We had the axles moved forward to to help eliminate some of the tongue weight. When I go into a tight turn, It looks like the tires are about to come off the wheel. LOL. It is the first goosenech I ever pulled with. It is great on long trips and it is way better than a bumper pull.

[DCSpecial]

did you just quote VIV..wtf is this?


I'm just saying dumb shit, I was confused with them saying that.

[Abrannan19]

I pulled weighed in at 21,540 total weight the last time I went to the dump i was pulling 13,000 lbs

[heinzboy]

I really want one of these trailers. http://www.gatormade.com/

[Abrannan19]

how much $$ are those..I am getting a new gooseneck this year

[heinzboy]

I think around 7500 bucks. Look at what goes into them though. There fully loaded top quality trailers. Call them up and ask for the Ebay specials.

Dan, most trailer companys will build a custom trailer if they need too. Sometimes it cost more sometimes it doesnt.

[DCSpecial]

I really want one of these trailers. http://www.gatormade.com/



That 16k Tandem looks like what I need :D

[heinzboy]

Might aswell get the 20k trailer. Your in business and you might be over that 16k so go for the 20k. You can NEVER have enough trailer.

[Abrannan19]

thats fucking cheap..the one we were looking at was 8700 bucks.

[_CH_]

Look at the squat here.

http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/photopost/data/500/IMG_21981.JPG


someone needs bags!

[DCSpecial]

But, I'd have to get a DRW if I wanted to fully load that 20k trailer :D

[heinzboy]

thats fucking cheap..the one we were looking at was 8700 bucks.

call them up and see what the price is now. That price was like a year ago and everyone knows China is buying all our metal.

[heinzboy]

But, I'd have to get a DRW if I wanted to fully load that 20k trailer :D

Nope. People buy trailers looking at what they need NOW. Hell, I always buy a trailer more than what I need because there will be someday I will need a bigger trailer. Give yourself some room to grow Dan.

[Abrannan19]

I will. I want and need one soon..our tractor and attachment's is outgrowing the trailer.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Abrannan19/DSC03652.jpg

weighed at 20,600lbs total weight.

[heinzboy]

Ask about a group buy Adam.

[DCSpecial]

Nope. People buy trailers looking at what they need NOW. Hell, I always buy a trailer more than what I need because there will be someday I will need a bigger trailer. Give yourself some room to grow Dan.


I figured a 14k would do it....a 16k would give me some room, or a 18k would definately give me some room.

I guess I'll look at the 20ks when it comes time to buy one.


We've got some big planting jobs, some decent brick jobs, a nice brick driveway, a built in Weber BBQ with side burner and fridge, outdoor fireplace, steps, pillars etc... to do so they should help get us the coin for the skid steer and the trailer :D

[heinzboy]

To save some money put the trailer title under recreation purposes. LOL

Sweet. I am buying a new house and wanted to build an outdoor fireplace with a plasma built in and a bad ass grill to fit in there somewhere.

[_CH_]

a big azz plasma outside by a fire pit/fire place would be pimp-tastic

[DCSpecial]

My current *small* skid steer and trailer:


http://www.truckblog.com/gallery/DCSpecial/28939.jpg



Works great and all, but I need another one, and a bigger one at that :D

[heinzboy]

WTF color is that truck? You need alot more trailer to haul all the accessories. to the skid steer.

[heinzboy]

a big azz plasma outside by a fire pit/fire place would be pimp-tastic

you forgot the pool also.:D

[DCSpecial]

WTF color is that truck? You need alot more trailer to haul all the accessories. to the skid steer.


Light Stellar Blue is the color....truck was originally white:

http://www.truckblog.com/gallery/DCSpecial/28431.jpg


Built front and rear modded bumpers for it, tinted the clearance lenses, traded in the tires on some 325/60R18 Silent Armor Pro Grades, paint, Husky floor mats, Wet Okole Seat Covers, PIAA Back Up Lamps, PIAA 520s in the front bumper, Limo Tint on the rear windows now, etc.....




Yeah, occasionally, I have to toss some of the other attachments in one of the dump trucks if I go places where I need more than one bucket and the forks.

[heinzboy]

cool looking color no doubt.

[Wildcat]

Dan,

The Alpine with the blackbird is the shit. I love it. I added XM, a backup camera and ipod hookup. I mounted the docking station in the floor on the center hump. Im really glad i went with alpine. The new w205 where the blackbird docks behind the face is gonna be out this summer. The headunit is still the same.


I tried calling you but you never would answer the damn phone. No big deal i was just wanting your opinion on powdercoating our boat trailer wheels.

[TXHNTR]

I have no idea what Vivs reasoning is behind the low weight towing. It maybe the legality question behind it. Eric has also told his tow tune can go up to factory pulling capabilities. Ask Doug what a guy named Casey in this area pulls as far as weight.

Casey ran across the scales at 47000 pounds at last check, thats a 52' stock trailer loaded with cattle and his truck...

[DCSpecial]

Foster,

Cool...the Alpine is my next head unit once I decide to sell my Avic N2.

It helps when you leave a message......LOL
According to my phone I missed a call from the 615 area code and the 918 area code end of april and beginning of May. One of those you??


I like powdercoat :D

[heinzboy]

Casey ran across the scales at 47000 pounds at last check, thats a 52' stock trailer loaded with cattle and his truck...

We aint scared to pull from TX.

[Abrannan19]

Casey ran across the scales at 47000 pounds at last check, thats a 52' stock trailer loaded with cattle and his truck...


what is the truck? 52' feet..good god..thats one foot shorter then the longest enclosed semi truck trailer. Jeez just the thought of that is crazy

[heinzboy]

He has a truck like mine.

[Abrannan19]

47k..you have to to be shitting me..with a 350.

[heinzboy]

not shitting you.

[Abrannan19]

:eek:

[TXHNTR]

Once it gets rolling you cannot stop it... And he has to take back roads because of DPS...

[Abrannan19]

thats just insane. and it sounds SAFE too..LOL

[Wildcat]

im the 918 #

[_CH_]

i can see a farm truck doing that....ive seen some crazy shit, i think that might be up there on the crazy scale tho if i saw it and knew how heavy it was

[TXHNTR]

Casey is one crazy bastard...

[01 250]

Over the weekend I borrowed a friends 14' dump trailer which was 3500 lbs empty and hauled 10 ton of #1 stone, thats about 24,000 lbs! I did put the truck back to stock though, didnt want to take any chances hauling that kind of weight. Truck went pretty good for power, although the rear springs were flat. It looked like I was pulling a weelie.

[sredish]

towing with a tune is completely dependent on how hot the tune is. there is no problem towing with any tune, just use basic procedures and watch your EGTs. If the tunes too hot, you'll have trouble keeping in the pedal pulling the weight and keeping the EGT's down. I have a "Hi-Power" tune from Tadd that's a middle of the road power builder, more of a mild street but runs good and I can tow all day long with it. I don't think a Looney or Extreme tune would be towable.

Hope this makes sense. Just hook up and try it. If it's too hot, then pull over and swap tunes and try it again. Eventually, you'll find a tune that has decent power you can tow with and you can keep it as a standby tune for towing.

[Carssuck]

^^^^^^
Exactly, I like pulling with Doug's street tune tweaked for towing.
I pull 10 to 13,000 every single day. My last truck had 30,000 combined miles pulling with the tow file we hashed out, and at least 15,000 pulling with the tweaked street file.

[DCSpecial]

Hmmm, good info guys.


Carssuck,
Where about in Cheese Land are you located?
I'm not that far from the border with Cheese Land

[PSDPlayer]

This is with my tow tune. My father's truck loaded out.

http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/photopost/data//500/medium/Flying_J_Scale.jpg

[DCSpecial]

Damn Doug......BTW what HP/TQ rating would a Tow Tune be comparable to?




On a related note, I was looking at Goosnecks today........$250/year to plate a 14k trailer, and $700/year to plate a 20k trailer. Looks like it'll most likely be the 14k.........although I would like the 20k :D

[sredish]

here in texas, we tag them as farm and it's less than a hundred. hell, i can license my truck as a farm truck for $70 a year

[PSDPlayer]

Probably a 40hp bump in power. Its not going to win you any races, but it will pull nicely.

[heinzboy]

here in texas, we tag them as farm and it's less than a hundred. hell, i can license my truck as a farm truck for $70 a year

and what qualifies it as farm?

[DCSpecial]

Scott,

Yeah, we have farm tags available as well.....but I believe that there are restrictions with them..




Doug,
Gotcha. That's what I was thinking it was probably a 40-60hp boost. I know on my 7.3 the 50hp setting makes a noticeable difference to how it pulls.

[EPDP99]

is that the same tow tune as mine??

[_CH_]

there are restrictions(dont remember what they are), but ive never seen anyone get pulled for improper use

[Abrannan19]

Not quite as much as Doug's load (yet)..But it was heavy and over the 7'x14' supposed lifting weight of 14k..lifted it with no problem though.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Abrannan19/Heavy.jpg

[PSDPlayer]

is that the same tow tune as mine??

Yes.

[sredish]

there are restrictions in Tx but no one pays any attention... LOL

Ever seen a JLG tele-forklift used for farm use...:D

[_CH_]

there are restrictions in Tx but no one pays any attention... LOL

Ever seen a JLG tele-forklift used for farm use...:D

nope, but i can see one coming in pretty damn handy to work on the barn

[sredish]

I've had my light JLG (the 6,000 pounder) on my gooseneck flatbed (with upgraded axles)... it weighs in at 24,800 by itself... then another 8k for the trailer... :) I didn't put it on my truck, i had it on the dually with the air suspension... handled it pretty good except the brakes were so-so. go figure.

[heinzboy]

Whats a JLG?

[sredish]

http://www.jlg.com/telehandlers/photos/jlg_G6_42a_lg_image.jpg