My 6.0 dyno sheet

[VERYFAST6.0]

Here is a dyno sheet of my truck a few weeks ago...

Mods are 190 injectors,STOCK TURBO,stock tranny,stock heads,stock rods,stock pistons,Air Aid Intake,Fass 150/180,Arp studs,Egr Delete,Dj's Fuel Intensifier,Stock Down pipe and a shit load of nitrous..This is the most power a 6.0 has ever done with a stock turbo that I have heard of..

1st pass was 738
2nd went up on the jet 749
3rd went up on the jet 755.16
Max Power was a 755.16 RWHP

[tjheavychevy]

That "stock" tranny aint gonna last long.

[VERYFAST6.0]

Let's see I'll let ya know when it goes

[TXHNTR]

what the hell was the torque if the hp #'s were that high?

[heinzboy]

Did you have some vibration going on? Also what rpms was that pulled too?

[SINNER]

755 hp on a stock turbo :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
No bullshit I have a $500 fuel card I will give you to bring that truck up a known accurate dyno. Why buy twins, when I can ship my truck for some Miami magic dyno #'s and do better than trucks with aurora5k's, turbonetics twins, vgt-ss's, shit thats better than any stock turbo'd CR I've seen now that I think of it.:blahblah1::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

[Abrannan19]

i know i am not the only doubter..what was the tq reading? are you sure this isnt a dyno sheet for you new jlp motor in the lightning..that would explain why you dont have torque listed..we would all know it was BS. i already know that though.

[tjheavychevy]

Its not if but when the tranny will go.I will say about 2000 or less miles on the max setting.Heck...I am only putting 428 to the rear meats and I have replaced the suncoast severe rebuild twice.I have broke my flex plate in half and also had to replace the torque converter to a triple loc.If your dyno sheet is real then your drivetrain is a ticking timebomb.

[VERYFAST6.0]

LOOK I AM TIRED OF THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT THAT'S THE HP OF MY 06 F350 CC 4X4 if you guys dont beleive me come down in person to miami pay my dyno and my valuable time and I will show you who THE REAL MAC DADDY IS like I've proved many times...the torque reader is a mission to connect on that dyno wicked never connects his...If my JLP motor in my lightning only does 700rwhp and I'll throw it in a canal besides that truck is in Pennsylvania still.. Do your homework Adam and call JLP PERFORMANCE...It was done on STOCK TRANS AND STOCK TURBOPlease stop, the allready whinning and deal with it..I allready gaved my proof and someone with alot of accomplishments witnessed it...So dont take it personal

THANK YOU



P.S I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY APOLOGIES

[VERYFAST6.0]

755 hp on a stock turbo :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:
No bullshit I have a $500 fuel card I will give you to bring that truck up a known accurate dyno. Why buy twins, when I can ship my truck for some Miami magic dyno #'s and do better than trucks with aurora5k's, turbonetics twins, vgt-ss's, shit thats better than any stock turbo'd CR I've seen now that I think of it.:blahblah1::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

Wicked laid down his numbers there in that dyno and he proved himself...What is all the fussing because a "Cuban from Miami with some BIG COJONES did it?" I did it and I deserve alot of credit for it 190's stock turbo 755rwhp SHIT thats sounds impresive to me..The first pass i saw 783 i was like no fucking way It was a glinch so dont worry..2nd pass was 739...3rd pass 749....4 pass 755...I don't care what all of you think I know it happend..And soon I will be posting some numbers on a CC 4X4 that havent been heard of in a ford with a stock turbo so that everyone can Drool......:bow::bow:

[Abrannan19]

come to Suncoast February 2nd..free dyno day.. I will be there along with ton and tons of other diesel enthusiast.. then it will but put up or shut up.. you show up there..same config. you have right now..put down 750+ HP and I will apologize in person in front of everyone there and make an apology thread on every diesel site that I am on.. Its a FREE dyno..Don said he would pay for your fuel..what do you have to loose?

[VERYFAST6.0]

F@#& THAT!!!!!I want my apologise NOW...You allready had a REAL RACER a person that has accomplished alot tell you how it went down..I ain't driving no 7hrs to prove sh!t to you...WHAT DO I GOT TO PROVE TO YOU NADAAA AND WHY??.....Rich even believes is possible isn't aren't his beleifs good for you either...You're own sources were the one that told you I never posted crap..Stop the whinning son...

[tjheavychevy]

I dont get it.....how is your stock converter not getting blowed through when the dyno passes are made? My truck in nowhere near your level and the torque converter kept flashing on the dyno.And how much nitro? What where your egt's on that dyno run?

[Abrannan19]

I dont get it.....how is your stock converter not getting blowed through when the dyno passes are made? My truck in nowhere near your level and the torque converter kept flashing on the dyno.And how much nitro? What where your egt's on that dyno run?


because its horse shit..he dynos in private..no one around..supposedly no videos either blah blah blah..same story different day..

he wont travel anywhere..he is scared to come out of Miami..

[tjheavychevy]

Sounds like the time I caught a 56 lb catfish on 5lb tess with a cricket and a cane pole.

[heinzboy]

I made 255hp encase anyone cares.

[Abrannan19]

I made 255hp encase anyone cares.


that was on spray,right?

[heinzboy]

That was when I ate too many eggs and beans.

[VERYFAST6.0]

because its horse shit..he dynos in private..no one around..supposedly no videos either blah blah blah..same story different day..

he wont travel anywhere..he is scared to come out of Miami..

I AIN'T SCARE OF NO ONE AND THE ONLY HERE THAT IS FULL OF SHIT IS YOU....WHEN I GO TO THE DYNO I GO HOW EVER THE FUCK I FEEL LIKE...YOU KNOW THOSE ARE MY NUMBERS CAUSE YOUR OWN SOURCES INFORMED YOU...NOW IF YOU DONT BELEIVE IT LINE UP AND I'LL SHOW WHAT'S UP PUT UP OR SHUT UP I'M TIRED OF THIS BABY BULLSHIT STEP UP LIKE A MAN....I AIN'T NO BULLSHITTER FROM THE CORNER EVERYTIME I'VE CLAIMED SOMETHING I'VE PROVEN IT THIS IS THE REASON I DON'T LIKE THIS INTERNET BULLSHIT BECAUSE IT'S FILLED WITH HATERS AND NONBELEIVERS LIKE YOU!!....ONCE AGAIN DYNO SHEETS ARE THERE AND SO IS A WELL KNOWN WITNESS...UNTILL THEN PROVE ME WRONGGGGGG!!!!!!!

[Abrannan19]

i am trying to prove you wrong..come to suncoast..feb 2nd..they can replace your trans after you get done too..

6 hours for me 7 hours for you..you get a free hotel, fre gas card from don and a free dyno..what more do you want?

[VERYFAST6.0]

I don't need nothing free from noone..I allready gave you the opportunity to come down to Miami and see your daddy on the dyno..I am tired of this KID STUFF..I ALLREADY TOLD YOU APOLOGIZE LIKE A MAN AND DONT WHINE LIKE A B!TCH...

[Abrannan19]

and I gave you the opportunity..come to suncoast.. (both of us traveling) you say no..then EVERYONE knows why... I don't have to say anymore

[VERYFAST6.0]

YOU'RE A LITTLE BOY AND WILL NEVER GROW UP..TALK TO ME WHEN YOU COME INTO THE MAN'S WORLD SON...GOOD BYE, I AM YOUR DADDY ENOUGH SAID AND DONE I OWN YOU!!!I'VE ALREADY PROVEN YOU WRONG TOOO MAY TIMESSS SON GOOD BYE

[Abrannan19]

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and I gave you the opportunity..come to suncoast.. (both of us traveling) you say no..then EVERYONE knows why... I don't have to say anymore

[VERYFAST6.0]

Offer You Don't Have The Right To Make Offers Or Question Anyone..do Your Job Matlock Make A Few Calls And Then Finish Drooling On Yourself... I Already Told You...i Ain't Traveling Anywhere To Prove Sh!t To You...when You Do Something Productive Let Me Know Untill Then Sit On The Sidelines And Watch All The Real Racers Run...this Is The Sad Part Of These Forums I Know There Are Racers Here That Don't Deserve To Hear This..but It Is Little Boys Like You That Want To Come Into The Mans World And Question Everyone...i Ask Myself Again And Again Why Should Anything Be Proven To You What Are Your Accomplishments?...unfortunately,little Boys Like You Will Never Grow Up....

Good Bye,

[Abrannan19]

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and I gave you the opportunity..come to suncoast.. (both of us traveling) you say no..then EVERYONE knows why... I don't have to say anymore

why dont I have the right to make that offer? oh..you 'own' me LMFAO!!!

[TXHNTR]

we still dont know what the torque reading was...

[_CH_]

wow

[VERYFAST6.0]

we still dont know what the torque reading was...

I am done talking to little boys..But, I am going to answer your question the torque wasn't connected..I have made several dyno pulls on that dyno but have never connected the torque..This was done on a DynoJet...

[Abrannan19]

frank..you are 22..if anything..you are the little boy..

[VERYFAST6.0]

frank..you are 22..if anything..you are the little boy..
Dam I haven't heard anyone tell me I was a little boy since I was in PRE K...What's next I'm going to the teacher?
I maybe younger than you..... But,I have been able to accomplish more than what you have dreamed of...

[mattsn]

oh my god this is funny. keep it up guys. im laughing my ass off

[VERYFAST6.0]

oh my god this is funny. keep it up guys. im laughing my ass off

This shit is kid stuff...That's why I hate all this internet bullshit...I've allways backed up what I've claimed I have never lied about my times..People have seen it...I'm done with this shit...

[heinzboy]

I must say this is a 5 star thread here. Lots of new people signing up to read this.:D

Carry on BOYS.:gr_cheers:

[Abrannan19]

I am done talking to little boys...

wow..words have escaped me..

I point out a small age difference..now I am a teacher..am I retarded or did he say something about it first..and then several more times..then say he wasnt gonna respond to me..the continue to respond to me..if you do like then internet get the fuck off..no one is believing your fake ass dyno sheet anymore..


SHOW UP AND SUNCOAST..OR SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH SHIT YOU CANT BACK UP.:upyours:

you dont have video or timeslip..and you expect people to believe a piece of paper..with a big number on it..with none of the supporting mods..um noooo

what exactly have you accomplished that is so wonderful? aren't you still living with poppa?

if you arent coming to suncoast..you are a little bitch..show me and everyone else that I was wrong and that I am a liar..

and to top off this magical dyno number you didnt get any torque readings...how convenient!:hehe::hehe::hehe:

[VERYFAST6.0]

wow..words have escaped me..

I point out a small age difference..now I am a teacher..am I retarded or did he say something about it first..and then several more times..then say he wasnt gonna respond to me..the continue to respond to me..if you do like then internet get the fuck off..no one is believing your fake ass dyno sheet anymore..


SHOW UP AND SUNCOAST..OR SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH SHIT YOU CANT BACK UP.:upyours:

you dont have video or timeslip..and you expect people to believe a piece of paper..with a big number on it..with none of the supporting mods..um noooo

what exactly have you accomplished that is so wonderful? aren't you still living with poppa?

if you arent coming to suncoast..you are a little bitch..show me and everyone else that I was wrong and that I am a liar..

and to top off this magical dyno number you didnt get any torque readings...how convenient!:hehe::hehe::hehe:

Adam I take it that you are disrespecting me: TO ME YOU CAN GO AND FUCK YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF SHIT BRING SOME CASH AND THAT PIG OF YOURS AND LETS SHAKE SOMETHING PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP..I DID WHAT I DID AND WHAT DONT BE SUCH A FUCKING CUNT NOW YOU CAN GO AND FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE THE ONLY LITTLE BITCH HERE IS YOU ALWAYS CRYING AND SHIT

[Abrannan19]

wow..did you just discover curse words? man..you are so cool now..I don't respect you..you aren't backing anything up.

oh yea..here is my latest dyno sheet..I just dynoed it today..all on #2
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Abrannan19/800hp.jpg

[heinzboy]

A pole has been Added.

[heinzboy]

wow..did you just discover curse words? man..you are so cool now..I don't respect you..you aren't backing anything up.

oh yea..here is my latest dyno sheet..I just dynoed it today..all on #2
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Abrannan19/800hp.jpg

<a href="http://www.forumammo.com"><img src="http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10063/fail2it9.jpg" /> </a>

[VERYFAST6.0]

wow..did you just discover curse words? man..you are so cool now..I don't respect you..you aren't backing anything up.

oh yea..here is my latest dyno sheet..I just dynoed it today..all on #2
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/Abrannan19/800hp.jpg

I don't curse anyone out because I don't like to disrespect anyone..

But trust me we will see each other face to face and straighten this out...Since you say you don't respect me It will be a different story when we see each other because remember behind a keyboard anyone can say anything....

[Abrannan19]

Adam I take it that you are disrespecting me: TO ME YOU CAN GO AND FUCK YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF SHIT BRING SOME CASH AND THAT PIG OF YOURS AND LETS SHAKE SOMETHING PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP..I DID WHAT I DID AND WHAT DONT BE SUCH A FUCKING CUNT NOW YOU CAN GO AND FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE THE ONLY LITTLE BITCH HERE IS YOU ALWAYS CRYING AND SHIT


I don't curse anyone out because I don't like to disrespect anyone..


are you drunk or did you just forget what you typed?
:hehe:

[VERYFAST6.0]

are you drunk or did you just forget what you typed?
:hehe:

Look at your post before me calling me "A little bitch" Don't worry this ain't going to stay like this will be solved the right way...

[powersmoker]

what does the truck run and trap in the 1/4 mile......that will tell us alot

[mattsn]

whats up with the 3rd grade sentences? its getting a bit difficult to understand what you are attempting to say. but.. please continue, this is fun.

[tjheavychevy]

what does the truck run and trap in the 1/4 mile......that will tell us alot


The truck is not real....just been simulated in the mind of a lonely little man.

[whiteduallyil]

This post made it to the nation by the way never heard of this site till now.

For the record i call the BS blag as well with the numbers 287

whats your weight, et, trap speed that will help with the numbers here

[Thuglike]

This post made it to the nation by the way never heard of this site till now.

For the record i call the BS blag as well with the numbers 287

whats your weight, et, trap speed that will help with the numbers here


x2!!!!!

[whiteduallyil]

hey its thuggy hows it going

[Thuglike]

In the drag racing forum you posted back in April that the rig ran a 13.5 at 99 mph. The most you can get out of it is 12.6...either way that isn't 750 hp in any realm. Unless you changed something?

[Thuglike]

sup dually. what's the good word?....looks like the nation is on the way over here for this one!!!!

[whiteduallyil]

ya the nation is going to have a ton of fun with this one for damn sure. time for an education on BS over here huh??

[mattsn]

obviously that education on BS started before you made it over here. but welcome

[heinzboy]

obviously that education on BS started before you made it over here. but welcome

:hehe:

[tjheavychevy]

In the drag racing forum you posted back in April that the rig ran a 13.5 at 99 mph. The most you can get out of it is 12.6...either way that isn't 750 hp in any realm. Unless you changed something?


Are you serious????My truck is running in the 12's.I must have read the dyno sheet wrong.......I must have had 900 hp and 1500lbs of tourque.
And by the way...I voted wrong on the poll.I thought it asked if frankie was lying about his numbers and I said yes.

[whiteduallyil]

sorry chevy

[heinzboy]

And by the way...I voted wrong on the poll.I thought it asked if frankie was lying about his numbers and I said yes.

I changed it for you.

[tjheavychevy]

288 PROVE IT talk is cheap

That was intended to be a joke.......the horsepower numbers that is.As far as my timeslips from the track .....I got plenty of those for proof.


Thanks for amending the poll.

[heinzboy]

That was intended to be a joke.......the horsepower numbers that is.As far as my timeslips from the track .....I got plenty of those for proof.


Thanks for amending the poll.


I think he wants to see Time slips.

[whiteduallyil]

sorry chevy i appoligize for that il fix it

[tjheavychevy]

no problem.Welcome to the forum.

[Thuglike]

Are you serious????My truck is running in the 12's.I must have read the dyno sheet wrong.......I must have had 900 hp and 1500lbs of tourque.
And by the way...I voted wrong on the poll.I thought it asked if frankie was lying about his numbers and I said yes.

It's there for all to read!

[Wildcat]

Is that a picture of him standing in front of his truck? What a tool.:upyours:

[tjheavychevy]

I will try and post some of my slips tommorrow

[whiteduallyil]

Im still waiting for veryfast6.0 to post some REAL numbers???

[_CH_]

Im still waiting for veryfast6.0 to post some REAL numbers???

dont worry, he will soon be running 7s in the 1/4 on stock turbo, i heard the secret was just to put on an 8" exhaust tip

[Mike Hickman]

I Farted !! :wrongforum: Sorry

[mattsn]

oh man, is this thread dead already. that sucks .

[tjheavychevy]

I think he realized how big of a fool he made of himself coming on here spouting numbers to people who know a thing or two about what he had said and also realizing that maybe he open his mouth a little to far to a bunch of knowledgeable and well informed people instead of your runn of the mill "I read a magazine theirfore I know about cars and trucks and numbers".

[mattsn]

i think your right. but i was having fun reading that.

[banksforddiesel99]

dang where is he?

[6LCummins]

lol not the only place this has been fought out but still funny to read. dont know frankie all that well, know adam a lil but lets see TQ numbers that will tel lthe story better. but i hope u were runnin the flux capacitor for those numbers.

[ralphinnj]

Just to add some science to the mix.......a dyno measures torque and CALCULATES HP. So anyone who says they don't have torque because they didn't hook that up (I think the OP said something like that in this ridiculous post) is full of crap....big time. And I know, the OP will come along and say "who the hell are you?" I don't post here often, but trust me, I know what I am talking about.

When you talk about 190's, it is incorrect to talk about the highest HP out of a stock turbo when you run nitrous. In principle, you can run straight nitrous and no turbo at all! The claim then moves to the rate-limiting feature, the fuel, which is limited by the 190's. I think Jeremy (lubeowner) originally ran 190's with his twin turbos and probably was putting down high 5's to maybe if he was real lucky, 600RWHP. Now he has bigger sticks and I think is firmly into the 6's. Anyway, the absolute most I would give 190's if sufficient oxidizer was present, would be 600RWHP. A claim of 750+ is absurd.

The graph looks like an overlay of two different engines, or possibly the torque curves from some runs thrown on top (the upper curves). A quick calculation confirms they are of the right magnitude:

HP = TQ*RPM/5252

At 80MPH he is spinning about 2000RPM. At 120MPH, then, he is at 3000RPM.

HP = 750*3000/5252 = 428....that is a strong relationship between those two curves.

Boys, I think the OP is full of crap, and his true HP is the lower curves that max around 450RWHP. That is what a poorly tuned truck with his mods would do. Anyway, with no torque curves, he has a lot of explaining to do since that is the basis for calculating HP. HP is not measured. Ever.

I also agree that no 6.0 engine will ever produce 750RWHP without head studs, no less, fire rings. The drive train will grenade for sure. The trans will fill the catch pan with metal particles, the input shaft will be twisted, the LS rear will fry and even things like the u-joints and halvies will be in trouble. Something will give without a doubt.

Ralph

[Abrannan19]

thank you for shedding some light on this post..it is much appreciated!

[ralphinnj]

It is also interesting to note that he has no aftermarket IC listed in his signature. You can't hope to run the stock IC at those levels. You need a Spearco or a Banks to keep that inlet air cool.

One thought did cross my mind: the OP may really believe this data because he was taken for a ride at the dyno shop. Between correction factors and other games they can play with the software, I wouldn't bet any money on a number unless it was validated. The OP should explain the two sets of curves. Are we to believe the lower are fuel only and the upper two are with NOS? That doesn't bake either. Properly tuned, the stock turbo can support 500RWP, which the 190's can reasonably feed.

Ralph

[VERYFAST6.0]

To answer some of your questions:

I understand you all If I were in your shoes..I'd be making the same comments also...All this BS is going to go on forever..If there is no BS there is No Internet..Pretty soon we'll go to the track hopefully we can post some good numbers and then more BS will appear..It's going to go on and on..We'll be posting some videos and timeslips soon and then everyone can have some fun with the comments.

[ralphinnj]

That's good, assuming you weigh about 7000, 750RWHP should be in the 11's. If you run true 11's, then your truck is stronger than proposed above. But that remains to be seen....

Ralph

[whiteduallyil]

To answer some of your questions:

I understand you all If I were in your shoes..I'd be making the same comments also...All this BS is going to go on forever..If there is no BS there is No Internet..Pretty soon we'll go to the track hopefully we can post some good numbers and then more BS will appear..It's going to go on and on..We'll be posting some videos and timeslips soon and then everyone can have some fun with the comments.

Why not come on up to bowling green KY for the TS weekend, then you can race and jump on a real diesel load dyno and then you will make history as being the only 750 HP stock everything 6.0. till then i still call total BS. I seriously doubt you even have 500Hp on fuel only.

[VERYFAST6.0]

Why not come on up to bowling green KY for the TS weekend, then you can race and jump on a real diesel load dyno and then you will make history as being the only 750 HP stock everything 6.0. till then i still call total BS. I seriously doubt you even have 500Hp on fuel only.

Why would I travel all the way to Kentucky?To prove what To who???

You're the interested one,You do the traveling I already did the power..

You're Welcome here..I'll personally receive your visit and if you can't travel I

will be posting the videos...There are many dyno's and tracks here in Miami.

I never said I had 500rwhp on #2... I said 755 with nitrous and a set of 190's.

[tjheavychevy]

He just wont give up the lie will he?This needs to be an intervention....sit down....lets have a talk.Son your truck is in no way making those"numbers"....I am afraid what we have here is a clear case of being delusional.If you agree we to leave here tonight and go to a treatment facility your family here will give you all the support needed.We will give you facts about how you shold properly build your truck and maybe help you achieve that lofty hp number.We just want you to get better.....

[Abrannan19]

He just wont give up the lie will he?This needs to be an intervention....sit down....lets have a talk.Son your truck is in no way making those"numbers"....I am afraid what we have here is a clear case of being delusional.If you agree we to leave here tonight and go to a treatment facility your family here will give you all the support needed.We will give you facts about how you shold properly build your truck and maybe help you achieve that lofty hp number.We just want you to get better.....

LMFAO!!!:hehe:

[Thuglike]

The sig needs to be edited!!!

[Abrannan19]

what part?

[heinzboy]

It is also interesting to note that he has no aftermarket IC listed in his signature. You can't hope to run the stock IC at those levels. You need a Spearco or a Banks to keep that inlet air cool.


Ralph

And why would you say this? David Anderson is in the 12.7s-12.9s I believe with a small shot of nitrous and 190ccs and the 65mm turbo. Stock trans, stock IC, no puking.

[Thuglike]

what part?


The world's fastest...blah, blah, blah.......

[WAO Racing]

And why would you say this? David Anderson is in the 12.7s-12.9s I believe with a small shot of nitrous and 190ccs and the 65mm turbo. Stock trans, stock IC, no puking.

I first would of been upset that 190cc's wouldnt give anything more than that. I've been going that and faster all stock with only SCT, Exhaust, and Dry nitrous. The horsepower calculater tells me that i put down 582 to the tires.

[heinzboy]

I first would of been upset that 190cc's wouldnt give anything more than that. I've been going that and faster all stock with only SCT, Exhaust, and Dry nitrous. The horsepower calculater tells me that i put down 582 to the tires.

I didn't say he was pushing the truck to the max with nitrous either.

[WAO Racing]

I here that! what did he run on #2?

[heinzboy]

Not sure but this is his dyno. http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13579

[WAO Racing]

So was that pull with or without the nos.

[heinzboy]

Without

[whiteduallyil]

Why would I travel all the way to Kentucky?To prove what To who???

You're the interested one,You do the traveling I already did the power..

You're Welcome here..I'll personally receive your visit and if you can't travel I

will be posting the videos...There are many dyno's and tracks here in Miami.

I never said I had 500rwhp on #2... I said 755 with nitrous and a set of 190's.

Well I really could care less about who you are or what your STOCK powered truck does cause you show no proof except for the hot air you speak of. I was saying if you indead have that much power you maybe a record powered truck so why not prove it at one of the premeir diesl outting makes sense to me. il be there many other here will be to and il even pay the 70 bucks for the pull and if you make 750hp il pay you for your fuel, your stay, and your time. now that sounds like a deal right there but when the truck gets inspected the only thing that can be changed in the injectors, the turbo, IC, trans, etc MUST be stock or the deal is off. and the only reason im interested is i love calling out all the BS'ers in the world hot air is soo cheap go backs to reading gale banks websites and his videos. till then 755HP 290 291

[WAO Racing]

Is Frankie's Dyno sheet showing to #2 passes also? If not what are those 2 lines for that only peek around 460-470HP? And if it is that means he is showing over 250HP gains on the NOS. Hmmmm........

[whiteduallyil]

wait a minute are you sure you reading the sheets right that 755 is not the torque???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????
the dyno sheets i think the numbers are backwards and what kind of dyno was this make and model please?

[Abrannan19]

so there it is..2 offers..and he wont accept either..I offer the same thing you offered for..him to come to suncoast..but that wont happen. and neither will bowling green. hell if I had a 750+hp truck I would be everywhere showing it off..and I am sure it would have been to the track several times with pics and video..but hey..thats just me..an honest fella.

[whiteduallyil]

im not going to spam here but why dont you come and make your HP claim over at http://www.competitiondiesel.com and www.powerstrokenation.com cause im sure theres a few people thatlive in fl and they would love to come and see you truck and well get this answered once and for all.

and if it were me making a power statement and nobody believed me and i knew it was true i would want to show people that it was true only the BS'er stay in the closet and i bet if somebody did drive to miami to see it there would be an excuse and you would chicken out.

[heinzboy]

Whats does the mph equate out into rpms? Anyone know?

[whiteduallyil]

well guessing here but his tires look like 36in so at 135mph doing 4000rpm's he is got a 3.17 gear and at 145 hes has a 2.96 gear

http://powerstrokenation.com/calculators/

so something doesnt make any sense here either

so speaking that he says everything else is stock lets assume he has a 3.73 gear which means to do 145 with a 36in tire combo he was doing 5100 rpms on that STOCK motor and trans. anyone else believe this

[Thuglike]

I Do!!!!!

[ralphinnj]

And why would you say this? David Anderson is in the 12.7s-12.9s I believe with a small shot of nitrous and 190ccs and the 65mm turbo. Stock trans, stock IC, no puking.

Because anyone building a 6.0 to reach 750RWHP is missing an important part of the equation by not improving the IC. In fact, I don't think any 6.0's have a legitimate 750RWHP without an upgraded IC. Personally, I have not seen anything over I think it was 728 (Redneck I believe) and then Tadd's 709. And those aren't 190's and little turbos. Those are big sticks and compound or BIG turbos and NOS. So I don't see how anyone can hit 750 with 190's.

I think I know where you are going with this....since NOS cools, the IC is not as important, but a 200F EGT drop can't hurt.

Ralph

[ralphinnj]

well guessing here but his tires look like 36in so at 135mph doing 4000rpm's he is got a 3.17 gear and at 145 hes has a 2.96 gear

http://powerstrokenation.com/calculators/

so something doesnt make any sense here either

so speaking that he says everything else is stock lets assume he has a 3.73 gear which means to do 145 with a 36in tire combo he was doing 5100 rpms on that STOCK motor and trans. anyone else believe this


I didn't check the math, but I know 5100RPM won't work (for long) on a stock engine......

[whiteduallyil]

I Do!!!!!

thuggy you pain in the a$$ :blahblah1::blahblah1:



kidding dont see you over at the nation much

[TXHNTR]

hell Doug lives in Florida, why hasnt he chimed in on this one?

[whiteduallyil]

ok so with 275 70r18 tire wheel combo since his pics look like he has the 18's

with 3.73 gear hes pulling 5500 rpms at 145 and if he has 4.10 gear he at 6000 rpm's

any questions or did we just bag ourselves a BS'er

[mattsn]

hell Doug lives in Florida, why hasnt he chimed in on this one?


doug aint never around here any more. :hate:

[Thuglike]

thuggy you pain in the a$$ :blahblah1::blahblah1:



kidding dont see you over at the nation much


I'm there, just keep quiet. So much "I'm bigger than you".......I just read and wait til they all need to be set in place.;):D

[heinzboy]

I think I know where you are going with this....since NOS cools, the IC is not as important, but a 200F EGT drop can't hurt.

Ralph

Egt drops can never hurt but if you add more air ( bigger turbo) would you really need an IC? I don't know what the stock IC pressures can hold but how many stock ICs have you heard splitting?

[VERYFAST6.0]

im not going to spam here but why dont you come and make your HP claim over at http://www.competitiondiesel.com and www.powerstrokenation.com cause im sure theres a few people thatlive in fl and they would love to come and see you truck and well get this answered once and for all.

and if it were me making a power statement and nobody believed me and i knew it was true i would want to show people that it was true only the BS'er stay in the closet and i bet if somebody did drive to miami to see it there would be an excuse and you would chicken out.

I don't know if you're a member at Comp D,but I do have a witness (W1CKED) with a 10sec megacab that saw the dyno pulls and backed me up but I see that many people just seem to ignore what he posted? http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=240834#post240834
I don't know why because he has proven alot of people on all of the sites wrong when his times were doubted...Besides that, I have many witnesses they're just not members here or on any other diesel sites..Anyways, I already said that as soon as I have videos and timeslips at the track, I will have them posted...

[6L strokin]

was this at the crank maybe?lol ...still would be a lil high tho IMO...

[whiteduallyil]

dude you just embarresed yourself even more by bringing that thread up, is not same call out as hear and there you have some of the biggest diesel names in the game time after time after time say BS and you have 2 or 3 offers to prove your claim on a diesel dyno in front of diesel people all expenses paid and you dont have the balls to stand up and take the challenge. so in my mind eithe put up or shut up cause nobody believes you at all. and i still want to hear you explain how your stock 6.0 is reving at 5500 rpms when a built 6.0 has a hard time staying together at that speed. i still think your 750 in the TQ which i believe but noe the HP. have fun with your wet dreams 292

[ralphinnj]

Egt drops can never hurt but if you add more air ( bigger turbo) would you really need an IC? I don't know what the stock IC pressures can hold but how many stock ICs have you heard splitting?

Point taken, I have heard that the Spearco's HAD some splitting issues (not the Banks). But my overall gut feel is that the Spearco performs a little better. Bottom line is that most people (not all) have NOS for that reserve mighty Moe performance. That is, most of the time, tooling around, punching it on the street, or towing, etc., you aren't spraying, so at those times you will need help lowering EGT's. I guess my point was that I rarely if ever hear of someone developing these numbers without an aftermarket IC.

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter since there is no way 190's can deliver enough fuel for 750RWHP.

Ralph

[VERYFAST6.0]

dude you just embarresed yourself even more by bringing that thread up, is not same call out as hear and there you have some of the biggest diesel names in the game time after time after time say BS and you have 2 or 3 offers to prove your claim on a diesel dyno in front of diesel people all expenses paid and you dont have the balls to stand up and take the challenge. so in my mind eithe put up or shut up cause nobody believes you at all. and i still want to hear you explain how your stock 6.0 is reving at 5500 rpms when a built 6.0 has a hard time staying together at that speed. i still think your 750 in the TQ which i believe but noe the HP. have fun with your wet dreams 292

First of all respect me like I respect all of you..I don't care what offers I've had..I already said I ain't going to no dyno way before those offers were made, but the local one's that are here so if you want to see it just let me know...Now that you talk about balls let's see if you have them or not BRING YOUR DIESEL TRUCK and let's run for some cash if you can't back up what you talk SHUT THE FUCK UP like others have had to that have been called out already and I don't want to hear anything else from your mouth:dead-horse-fast2: ...Besides who the hell said my truck reved 5500rpms?...As of now,I will stop replying to this thread untill I have the Videos and Timeslip..

GoodBye

[whiteduallyil]

the 5500 rpms is how you ended up doing 145 on the dyno sheet. and il race you any day boy il be at bowling green im in chicago you in fl figure its a decent meet in the middle but you wont meet and i think you have 2 or 3 offers at winning money if you just show up. so your the chicken $hit all you have to do is just show up roll on a diesel dyno and pull the trigger how hard is that. and for a matter of fact i never claim any hp or tq figures so i have nothing to back up i make what i make but i dont claim my truck is stock making some crazy numbers either.

[heinzboy]

How does anyone know what 190cc sticks will flow?
190cc stick with x ml nozzels = what hp?
Tadds ?
Casses?
Joshs?
Industrials?

THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR WHAT 190CCs will flow.

[VERYFAST6.0]

the 5500 rpms is how you ended up doing 145 on the dyno sheet. and il race you any day boy il be at bowling green im in chicago you in fl figure its a decent meet in the middle but you wont meet and i think you have 2 or 3 offers at winning money if you just show up. so your the chicken $hit all you have to do is just show up roll on a diesel dyno and pull the trigger how hard is that. and for a matter of fact i never claim any hp or tq figures so i have nothing to back up i make what i make but i dont claim my truck is stock making some crazy numbers either.

The truck was not reved to no dam 5500..That's not possible on a stock engine..The max was 4200.I already told you the torque was not connected therefore it won't read the torque.Now that you have accepted the challenge lets meet up any track here in FLORIDA....
Moroso,Immokalee,CountyLine,Bradenton you choose as I already told you BRING YOUR DIESEL TRUCK... Besides, I already said this before anyone that wants to see it come down to any local dyno here and I will gladly put the truck on the dyno..

[ralphinnj]

How does anyone know what 190cc sticks will flow?
190cc stick with x ml nozzels = what hp?
Tadds ?
Casses?
Joshs?
Industrials?

THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR WHAT 190CCs will flow.

I would disagree. The number has a meaning, and it is cubic millimeters per stroke at maximum flow. Or put in units most can underswtand, it is the volume of fuel in cc's that 1000 strokes can deliver.

The stock ones flow 135. So 190's flow roughly 190/135 = about 1.4x stock. Yes, I know that injection pressure plays a role, etc. Bottom line is that the most the stock injectors have produced is round about 430RWHP. Using the 1.4 factor, we can get a decent idea what the 190 limit will be:

1.4*430 = 602. That is almost exactly what I said earlier (without having done the calculation) would be the max I would expect. I've seen enough of these to know. THERE IS NO WAY 190's MAKE 750RWHP.

You can keep trying to find error in the logic, but you won't. It is not possible to make 750RWHP with 190's. The only factor is the efficiency with which the fuel burns, which means different nozzles might make some difference, but a very good indicator of the efficiency is how clear the smoke is. If it is cleared up, then you're burning most of it and nozzle changes won't make much difference.

Anyway, the number (190, 135, or 225 like you have) has a specific meaning regarding potential fuel delivered. Most (not all) injector builders flow test them...so trust me, the number has a very real meaning and there most certainly is a standard for what 190's will flow.

Ralph

On edit, the nozzle is not really related to the maximum flow (unless it is too restrictive). On the 6.0's, the HUEI injectors have a reservoir and a piston-type arrangement that fires to deliver the contents (or a portion thereof). Anyway, nozzles are not the determining factor like they are in common rails......

[mooring product]

Couldn't we all just get along.


My truck is the same as Frankie's but I make way more power. Sooo who wants to pay for my trip up north? Cock suckers!!

[ralphinnj]

Another guy with more mouth than brain......

[heinzboy]

I would disagree. The number has a meaning, and it is cubic millimeters per stroke at maximum flow. Or put in units most can underswtand, it is the volume of fuel in cc's that 1000 strokes can deliver.

The stock ones flow 135. So 190's flow roughly 190/135 = about 1.4x stock. Yes, I know that injection pressure plays a role, etc. Bottom line is that the most the stock injectors have produced is round about 430RWHP. Using the 1.4 factor, we can get a decent idea what the 190 limit will be:

1.4*430 = 602. That is almost exactly what I said earlier (without having done the calculation) would be the max I would expect. I've seen enough of these to know. THERE IS NO WAY 190's MAKE 750RWHP.

You can keep trying to find error in the logic, but you won't. It is not possible to make 750RWHP with 190's. The only factor is the efficiency with which the fuel burns, which means different nozzles might make some difference, but a very good indicator of the efficiency is how clear the smoke is. If it is cleared up, then you're burning most of it and nozzle changes won't make much difference.

Anyway, the number (190, 135, or 225 like you have) has a specific meaning regarding potential fuel delivered. Most (not all) injector builders flow test them...so trust me, the number has a very real meaning and there most certainly is a standard for what 190's will flow.

Ralph

On edit, the nozzle is not really related to the maximum flow (unless it is too restrictive). On the 6.0's, the HUEI injectors have a reservoir and a piston-type arrangement that fires to deliver the contents (or a portion thereof). Anyway, nozzles are not the determining factor like they are in common rails......

Good post. Maybe my wording of Standard was wrong. I was basically saying that I think EVERY injector builders 190cc are going to flow different.

[Abrannan19]

Now that you have accepted the challenge lets meet up any track here in FLORIDA....
Moroso,Immokalee,CountyLine,Bradenton you choose as I already told you BRING YOUR DIESEL TRUCK... Besides, I already said this before anyone that wants to see it come down to any local dyno here and I will gladly put the truck on the dyno..

why the fuck does everyone have to come to you..they have to do all of the traveling..still a bunch of horseshit! Mutual territory..thats what its all about.no one believes you..and you having to stay in FL to do anything (race or dyno) just further proves you are scared. I will race you frankie..how about that..your truck vs. mine..BUT only in Bowling Green..I wasn't planning on going..but for you to show up..and race and dyno..I will be there.

[ralphinnj]

Good post. Maybe my wording of Standard was wrong. I was basically saying that I think EVERY injector builders 190cc are going to flow different.

No problem, we are all here to learn (well, most of us I hope). By the way, 225's work to: 717RWHP.....so you are in shooting range of some big numbers.

Ralph

[SINNER]

Almost no shops have the ability to truly flow test huei injectors. you can flow the nozzles but using hpop to drive the injectors and get a true amount of fuel delivered is pretty much reserved for the factory techs. try 3 different sets of 190's from 3 different builders and they are very different. due to the spray pattern and the fuel delivered.

[ralphinnj]

I have never been involved directly in testing them, but they are testable. The top flow rate is limited by the dimensions of the chamber and the piston travel. I would say that all 190's are theoretically the same (due to the chamber volume arguement, and assuming the designer calculated properly), except that the tip/nozzle geometry can modify the amount of atomization, which directly impacts combustion efficiency. Combustion efficiency determines observed performance. So if you try 3 different sets of 190's, the difference in performance can often be related to the tip/nozzle geometry. But there can be other factors. So I agree that they may perform differently, but they are called 190's because in principle, they can flow the same total fuel.

Ralph

[whiteduallyil]

il race you not in FL but at bowling green but you may need more then that stock 6.0L. and it aint no ford buddy

[heinzboy]

No problem, we are all here to learn (well, most of us I hope). By the way, 225's work to: 717RWHP.....so you are in shooting range of some big numbers.

Ralph

I would like to get over 500hp right now:mad: before I worry about 700hp

[VERYFAST6.0]

why the fuck does everyone have to come to you..they have to do all of the traveling..still a bunch of horseshit! Mutual territory..thats what its all about.no one believes you..and you having to stay in FL to do anything (race or dyno) just further proves you are scared. I will race you frankie..how about that..your truck vs. mine..BUT only in Bowling Green..I wasn't planning on going..but for you to show up..and race and dyno..I will be there.

I don't have shit to talk to you about, BUT WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO COME TO YOU GUYS..You guys are the unbelievers why race so far in bowling green Adam? You do realize you and I both live in Florida right?And it is very convenient to you to come down here like that you can tune your truck where you last tuned it..I will even go to that same dyno and put my truck in that dyno...Bring YOUR 6.0 TRUCK as you said and some cash nothing more end of story..

[VERYFAST6.0]

il race you not in FL but at bowling green but you may need more then that stock 6.0L. and it aint no ford buddy

Oh so you changed now? It's not your 6.0 truck anymore but why remember according to you guys my truck doesn't have no 755 horsepower?But anyways bring anything you have and we'll match it track cars,street cars,street bikes,race boats anything just name it and a price...

[whiteduallyil]

i never once mentioned a 6.0L LOL and you never asked, so you coming to bowling green

[VERYFAST6.0]

i never once mentioned a 6.0L LOL and you never asked, so you coming to bowling green

You know I already said I ain't going to no Bowling Green. As I said on page (3)
in FLORIDA bring what ever it is that you have and I'll match it.. If it's your 6.0 I got my 6.0..If you are not coming then just stick around for the videos and timeslips..

[TXHNTR]

First of all respect me like I respect all of you..I don't care what offers I've had..I already said I ain't going to no dyno way before those offers were made, but the local one's that are here so if you want to see it just let me know...Now that you talk about balls let's see if you have them or not BRING YOUR DIESEL TRUCK and let's run for some cash if you can't back up what you talk SHUT THE FUCK UP like others have had to that have been called out already and I don't want to hear anything else from your mouth:dead-horse-fast2: ...Besides who the hell said my truck reved 5500rpms?...As of now,I will stop replying to this thread untill I have the Videos and Timeslip..

GoodBye

um the last sentence must be a lie... kinda like the numbers you posted but I didnt want to call you out...:owned:

[whiteduallyil]

all i have to say is look at the poll LOL i think you need to go and rub some cream on your ass now that it has been beat raw

[VERYFAST6.0]

all i have to say is look at the poll LOL i think you need to go and rub some cream on your ass now that it has been beat raw

I knew you would pussy out and change the subject It's a typical thing an Internet Racer like you would do...I don't give a shit what the poll saids If I were in yalls shoes I would be talking the same shit You can take your cream and use it to stick the POLL in YOUR ASS..I don't have no reason why to lie about my numbers..Adam knows the size of the injectors I have and where I got them from he was the one that brought them up thinking it was a big secret :hehe:...I already said above that I will have videos posted and timeslips when I go to the track..

[whiteduallyil]

change what subject, come to bowling green, im stating the facts noone believes you at all on this site or any other site

[VERYFAST6.0]

change what come to bowling green, im stating the facts noone believes you at all on this site or any other site

You and I both know you ain't no racer..Above I told you to bring YOUR 6.0 DIESEL TRUCK you agreed just read above and then you changed..That's fine that no one believes me I respect that everyone has there own beleifs.I thought it was unbelievable too..That's why I am going to do what I've said again and again post videos and timeslips..I know I am going to get more BS after that..but lets remember this is the internet so I have to deal with it..

[_CH_]

You and I both know you ain't no racer..Above I told you to bring YOUR 6.0 DIESEL TRUCK you agreed just read above and then you changed..That's fine that no one believes me I respect that everyone has there own beleifs.I thought it was unbelievable too..That's why I am going to do what I've said again and again post videos and timeslips..I know I am going to get more BS after that..but lets remember this is the internet so I have to deal with it..

i dont think he ever said anything about a 6.0?

you know no one believes you - i simply dont understand why it is that when you stand to make a decent chunk of change you refuse to drive ANYWHERE? people have been quite generous in their offers..... from fuel, to time, to room and board; one person pays that and you can still get $ from someone else thats pure profit if youre truck does what you claim. what is there to loose? dont want to drive? simple - fly up and put the truck on a transport and have the other party pay when (em.... ok if:rolleyes:) you prove yourself.
i dont see you being as forthcoming with an offer of compensation since you seem to demand that everyone should come to you for - whatever inane reason you seem to have.:rules:
Seriously - what is there to loose? As i and others have pointed out time and again IF you were to accept you have a great deal to gain both monetarily and in terms of respect, but your continued refusal simply serves to highlight the fact that you have something to hide. infact - it could easily be argued that your continued response after saying you were done with the thread until you could post slips and video shows that your word means little, even to you.

PLEASE tell me where my (or anyone elses for that matter) logic is flawed in this without trying to insult me

:hate:

[VERYFAST6.0]

i dont think he ever said anything about a 6.0?

you know no one believes you - i simply dont understand why it is that when you stand to make a decent chunk of change you refuse to drive ANYWHERE? people have been quite generous in their offers..... from fuel, to time, to room and board; one person pays that and you can still get $ from someone else thats pure profit if youre truck does what you claim. what is there to loose? dont want to drive? simple - fly up and put the truck on a transport and have the other party pay when (em.... ok if:rolleyes:) you prove yourself.
i dont see you being as forthcoming with an offer of compensation since you seem to demand that everyone should come to you for - whatever inane reason you seem to have.:rules:
Seriously - what is there to loose? As i and others have pointed out time and again IF you were to accept you have a great deal to gain both monetarily and in terms of respect, but your continued refusal simply serves to highlight the fact that you have something to hide. infact - it could easily be argued that your continued response after saying you were done with the thread until you could post slips and video shows that your word means little, even to you.

PLEASE tell me where my (or anyone elses for that matter) logic is flawed in this without trying to insult me

:hate:

I don't need any thing to be paid by anyone..For everyone that has offered to pay just take that money and spend it on a trip down here...And I'll be generous enough to put it on the dyno for anyone...If not just stick around for the Videos..And yes he did say it was with his diesel truck if he decides to bring whatever besides his 6.0 besides why is he so scared of bringing a 6.0 Isn't my 6.0 slow...We have anything to match what he brings...

I said above that I would stop replying untill I have more proof I am done..

Have a Goodnight

[whiteduallyil]

LOL never said it was a 6.0L find where i said that please and i havent changed a damn thing. yes its a diesel truck but not a 6.0.

[WAO Racing]

I don't need any thing to be paid by anyone..For everyone that has offered to pay just take that money and spend it on a trip down here...And I'll be generous enough to put it on the dyno for anyone...If not just stick around for the Videos..And yes he did say it was with his diesel truck if he decides to bring whatever besides his 6.0 besides why is he so scared of bringing a 6.0 Isn't my 6.0 slow...We have anything to match what he brings...

I said above that I would stop replying untill I have more proof I am done..

Have a Goodnight

I think it's funny YOU say that. I made what a 9hr trip for you not to show, and couldnt find anything that was MATCHED any where close to my truck that was willing to step up. I guess I ended up letting the wrong person see that 12.533 at 107. And before you get your panties all wodded up i am not saying that it cant be done.

[WAO Racing]

Scince you posted the link to the conversation at CompD i took a look and found this
#109
OneStockQuik6.0




Name: OneStockQuik6.0
Title: Diesel Enthusiast
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Originally Posted by UNBROKEN
If the truck has 190's in it...I don't think it can be done.
I'm also out of the loop...what did the truck run MPH wise in the 1/4 and what does it weight ? I don't care about ET...just trap speed.


Are there any pics of the motor ? I can tell you in 2 seconds if there's a wet kit on it or not.

I will answer your questions because I will not be replying to little boys anymore:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Truck has 190's injector that were purchased from Abraham a customer of Doug...That red solenoid that he saw was a fueler at a local event we had gone to back in september and was never used because the solenoid took a crap everyone knows that it was taken off the truck and not put back on.. I put it on because since there were trucks there way out of my league why not have it as a back up?...I don't see a reason of needing it since it already made more power than I expected..

The truck made that hp with a NOS DRY SHOT..Hasn't been to the track yet so therefore I can't tell what it runs...Once again it is very sad that after all the hard work you get these little Toys R Us kids talking crap and whinning...


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So was any of them passes without extra fuel being in play other than STOCK injectors?
Just wondering....nevermind no response needed....I might not believe anyways now that you said the seloniod was on the truck even if it wasnt working or not.

[ralphinnj]

When is the next public dyno event in VeryFast's area? I may have lost track in the posts above. Since he wants to stay in his area, let's just wait until there is an event in his area and then we'll get some more numbers. Sure, I doubt him based on the data we have seen, but who knows? Maybe he really has 275's in there (and may not even know it) and maybe he's got other stuff done. Maybe it can go over 700RWHP. Not with just 190's, but we all know that 700RWHP is possible with a 6.0.

All we need is a "validated" dyno run...which means a run in front of others where we can see how trucks known to put down 400 or 500 still do so. In that case, if his truck does 750, we've would need to figure out how.

Ralph

[mooring product]

Another guy with more mouth than brain......

Very true..I'm not a very educated man but I will say getting all fired up over a truck is retarded. I was just amazed that how everyone would pay for all his expenses to get him to a dyno in another state.

If it is possible to make 700hp as he says, how reliable is it?

Do you really think he will tell you how he made 700hp? I think not. I'm sure he will line up and take your money.

[iracemx6]

Very true..I'm not a very educated man but I will say getting all fired up over a truck is retarded. I was just amazed that how everyone would pay for all his expenses to get him to a dyno in another state.

If it is possible to make 700hp as he says, how reliable is it?

Do you really think he will tell you how he made 700hp? I think not. I'm sure he will line up and take your money.

Dang Pete...you sounded pretty smart when I talked to you on the phone:hehe:

I agree..I doubt Frankie is gonna tell you one way or the other what he's done to his truck.
Whether you believe Frankie or not he has offered to run anyone on here all they had to do is bring plenty of cash...so now it's time for someone to step up....who's it gonna be???

[dalpilot]

Man, I am just stoked. I have the same setup, but with an upgraded Turbo, intercooler, and a John wood Tranny. I must be making upwards of 800. Sweeeeeet.

[Dissociative]

i am trying to prove you wrong..come to suncoast..feb 2nd..they can replace your trans after you get done too..

6 hours for me 7 hours for you..you get a free hotel, fre gas card from don and a free dyno..what more do you want?


OK.....anybody want to reverse this offer for me and a "few" friends to go get the real answers????

lol...this is funny shit right here.....wheres Doug!!!!!

[Dissociative]

man...edited my sig...now i'm a supa playa too.....

[Grizzly660]

I would disagree. The number has a meaning, and it is cubic millimeters per stroke at maximum flow. Or put in units most can underswtand, it is the volume of fuel in cc's that 1000 strokes can deliver.

The stock ones flow 135. So 190's flow roughly 190/135 = about 1.4x stock. Yes, I know that injection pressure plays a role, etc. Bottom line is that the most the stock injectors have produced is round about 430RWHP. Using the 1.4 factor, we can get a decent idea what the 190 limit will be:

1.4*430 = 602. That is almost exactly what I said earlier (without having done the calculation) would be the max I would expect. I've seen enough of these to know. THERE IS NO WAY 190's MAKE 750RWHP.

You can keep trying to find error in the logic, but you won't. It is not possible to make 750RWHP with 190's. The only factor is the efficiency with which the fuel burns, which means different nozzles might make some difference, but a very good indicator of the efficiency is how clear the smoke is. If it is cleared up, then you're burning most of it and nozzle changes won't make much difference.

Anyway, the number (190, 135, or 225 like you have) has a specific meaning regarding potential fuel delivered. Most (not all) injector builders flow test them...so trust me, the number has a very real meaning and there most certainly is a standard for what 190's will flow.

Ralph

On edit, the nozzle is not really related to the maximum flow (unless it is too restrictive). On the 6.0's, the HUEI injectors have a reservoir and a piston-type arrangement that fires to deliver the contents (or a portion thereof). Anyway, nozzles are not the determining factor like they are in common rails......


I think this is way above his terminology and understanding......after all machines don't lie right!!!!!!!!

[heinzboy]

I think this is way above his terminology and understanding......after all machines don't lie right!!!!!!!!



:hehe::badidea:

[Abrannan19]

I just find it hilarious that he wont travel..I think he maybe on house arrest..since he cant leave Dade County..atleast that would make some sense..

I don't understand why we would come there..meaning you have to travel no where..and watch you dyno on a partisans dyno..thats some stupid shit..you travel too..we will both travel thats the whole freaking point.

I tell you this..if I had a 755 horse 6.0 I would be on a mother fucking world tour with that BITCH!I would not be scared to come out of my hiding spot..I can tell you that much..I am actually happy that he wont leave though..it just further proves he is 100% full o' shit!

[mattsn]

I tell you this..if I had a 755 horse 6.0 I would be on a mother fucking world tour with that BITCH!I would not be scared to come out of my hiding spot..I can tell you that much.


thats exactly what ive been thinking through this whole thing

[iracemx6]

:hehe::badidea:

TOBYGUMP:hehe::hehe:

[YFZ 450 Quadaholic]

Those are torque readings...not H.P.
He misread the dyno sheet.
wow.
:banging:

[dalpilot]

SO has anyone called Gabby at GAW? 305-477-5433???????? I would think he might be able to shed some light.

[ralphinnj]

Thats what I proposed a ways back in this thread...that is, that the upper curves are torque and the lower are HP. The ratio works using HP=TQ*RPM/5252. So it may just be the highest mistaken HP on a stock 6.0 turbo!

Ralph

[dalpilot]

Just got off the Phone with Gabby, and He claims 40-50 dyno runs, with a stock turbo, and way more than just a little nitrous. Take it for what its worth, of course, and I am not saying this is the case, but ofcourse if I were a company that set it up, I would not dispute a high Dyno number.

[ralphinnj]

HP is not related to nitrous.....that is, you can add as much as you want...it's the fuel that will limit HP, and a true 190 won't support 750RWHP even if you ran a million shot.

Ralph

[dalpilot]

Ralph, I am with you 100%. What I am getting at is I have no doubt that he believes that he has a 755HP truck. its my opinion that he has seen the dyno sheet and been told its correct. I am to say the least skeptical.

[iracemx6]

Just got off the Phone with Gabby, and He claims 40-50 dyno runs, with a stock turbo, and way more than just a little nitrous. Take it for what its worth, of course, and I am not saying this is the case, but ofcourse if I were a company that set it up, I would not dispute a high Dyno number.

Well are you saying that the dyno operator backs up the numbers then?

[VERYFAST6.0]

I think it's funny YOU say that. I made what a 9hr trip for you not to show, and couldnt find anything that was MATCHED any where close to my truck that was willing to step up. I guess I ended up letting the wrong person see that 12.533 at 107. And before you get your panties all wodded up i am not saying that it cant be done.

WAO, you know I couldn't make it to that event and you even know the reason I even said this before you left SC..Dj knew about it..

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191741#post191741
Everyone knew about it including you...Then you started all the trash talking and you were called out by me and didn't reply to me don't you remember..

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193487#post193487

Besides why didn't you run your 12.5 next to Emilio or that day at the track.especially when you knew I had ran a 13.4 on #2 and a 12.6 on a drykit spray there.. Oh wait I know why because it was BRACKET RACING RIGHT?YEA SURE...If I would of traveled 9hrs like you did I would of posted my best time...NO ONE saw a single 12 second pass on your truck that day...

Why do you say there was no one there to match you..You raced Emilio and lost fair and square if you felt that you were way out powered you shouldnt of raced...

And yes I have NEVER ran a pass with a fueler on the TRACK all of MY TIMES WERE WITH A DRYKIT....

[VERYFAST6.0]

Well are you saying that the dyno operator backs up the numbers then?

That's what I understood from Tim too..But oh wait now Gabby is a liar he has only gone 10 sec in the 1/4 with a lifted 95 ford with a cummins in it so why would they believe him..I know why because they have just realized they have all been proven WRONG....

http://video.thedieselgarage.com/search/GAW/0/95b7b782-bfa4-46ac-b287-b1a8858e2b06.htm

SO NOW YOU HAVE 2 VALUABLE WITNESSES WICKED AND GABBY

[VERYFAST6.0]

Now All You Guys Just Wait For Me To Get Back From Vacation And Post My Vids And Times I Know The Bs Still Wont End...

[ralphinnj]

Was that 12.6 with your current setup?

[VERYFAST6.0]

When is the next public dyno event in VeryFast's area? I may have lost track in the posts above. Since he wants to stay in his area, let's just wait until there is an event in his area and then we'll get some more numbers. Sure, I doubt him based on the data we have seen, but who knows? Maybe he really has 275's in there (and may not even know it) and maybe he's got other stuff done. Maybe it can go over 700RWHP. Not with just 190's, but we all know that 700RWHP is possible with a 6.0.

All we need is a "validated" dyno run...which means a run in front of others where we can see how trucks known to put down 400 or 500 still do so. In that case, if his truck does 750, we've would need to figure out how.

Ralph

Ralph,the person that sold them to me got them from Casserly... I Believe I doubt he'll sell them to me the price he sold them to me for so cheap..But hey you never know...He claims they are 190's also..I allready said I would go to any LOCAL dyno...Gabbys Auto Werks has a Dyno Jet...

[VERYFAST6.0]

I just find it hilarious that he wont travel..I think he maybe on house arrest..since he cant leave Dade County..atleast that would make some sense..

I don't understand why we would come there..meaning you have to travel no where..and watch you dyno on a partisans dyno..thats some stupid shit..you travel too..we will both travel thats the whole freaking point.

I tell you this..if I had a 755 horse 6.0 I would be on a mother fucking world tour with that BITCH!I would not be scared to come out of my hiding spot..I can tell you that much..I am actually happy that he wont leave though..it just further proves he is 100% full o' shit!

so whats up with our race did you forget about it already?

[iracemx6]

Was that 12.6 with your current setup?

No..the 12.6 was with stock injectors and nitrous.

[WAO Racing]

WAO, you know I couldn't make it to that event and you even know the reason I even said this before you left SC..Dj knew about it..

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=191741#post191741
Everyone knew about it including you...Then you started all the trash talking and you were called out by me and didn't reply to me don't you remember..
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I was called and told to let it rest for now.
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http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193487#post193487

Besides why didn't you run your 12.5 next to Emilio or that day at the track.especially when you knew I had ran a 13.4 on #2 and a 12.6 on a drykit spray there.. Oh wait I know why because it was BRACKET RACING RIGHT?YEA SURE...
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If I would of traveled 9hrs like you did I would of posted my best time...
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IF You traveled......but see thats the thing you didnt have to and sounds like you will never travel to race or dyno from what it sounds like to me.
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NO ONE saw a single 12 second pass on your truck that day...
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Your right No ONE saw me make a 12sec pass THAT DAY! It didnt matter to me what you have done at that track. The point was to see 2 of the fastest stock trucks going down side by side for some $ not just braggin rights. That my friend is grudge racing, and thats how we do it. But thats all right cause I still got paid, and paid very well!
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Why do you say there was no one there to match you..You raced Emilio and lost fair and square if you felt that you were way out powered you shouldnt of raced...
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Yes I did race Emilio and i lost fair and square, But there is two things, His truck had injectors, turbo, intercooler, and I saw 2 nos systems on the truck.
So to say his truck was setup just like mine is abserd. And being way out powered i dont see it seeing how he didnt run but only 12.49 with all that stuff compared to stock truck with a dry kit that has been 12.53. But anyways all that is over and done with.
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And yes I have NEVER ran a pass with a fueler on the TRACK all of MY TIMES WERE WITH A DRYKIT....

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All that i am saying here is if i could make anything close to what your claiming on the dyno and legit .......I would be trying to collect as much of that easy cash as i could at one time.

[Abrannan19]

so whats up with our race did you forget about it already?

lets race..bring it to BG and its on!

[heinzboy]

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All that i am saying here is if i could make anything close to what your claiming on the dyno and legit .......I would be trying to collect as much of that easy cash as i could at one time.


I think Frankie done called people out for the money but they haven't accepted.

http://www.gogodiesel.com/forum/showpost.php?p=28858&postcount=126

[Abrannan19]

cause its only in his territory..thats why they havent accepted..he has nothing to loose..say we travel to him..and he says I blew up the (trans,turbo etc,etc..) yesterday..we are out of the time and money..with nothing to show for..if he travels to BG or suncoast..and blows up anything (turbo trans etc,etc..) then ok..its fair..he has something to loose..his time and money..and we could say well..atleast he tried..and just traveling would show that he has faith it what he 'thinks' he has. But he is scared to travel..thats why this whole situation is absurd, and his credibility is 0 now..being as like 8 different post he has said that he was done and wouldnt reply anymore until he had video and timeslips..and even follows with a 'goodbye' yet continues to come here and post WITHOUT videos and or timeslips..

[heinzboy]

Maybe Frankie is just fishing for a big baller to step up to a race with some money. He has said at one point in time the SKY is the limit on money.

[Abrannan19]

wishful thinking indeed!

[VERYFAST6.0]

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All that i am saying here is if i could make anything close to what your claiming on the dyno and legit .......I would be trying to collect as much of that easy cash as i could at one time.

I never said you could compare your truck to Emilio's in mods and besides you must of taught you were going to beat him since you were going to bet money..I doubt it you would of wanted to bet if you would of known you were going to lose?.Also you did agree the race to be for "Bragging Rights"....But you're right that's done and over with..I know what Grudge Matches are all about..On our last conversation In Comd D the race was between You WAO RACING and I..Because you said that you were capable of fighting your own battles and that you didn't run for free therefore I answered...If you wanted to let it go as you told me you were asked then that was up to you.Just want to get the facts straight..
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Your Post:
IF You traveled......but see thats the thing you didnt have to and sounds like you will never travel to race or dyno from what it sounds like to me.

My Response:
I won't travel to no dyno because I don't have to prove anything to anyone...BUT I did tell YOU..I would travel to Gainesville to race you with YOUR 6.0 for money since I had the accident and couldn't make it to Moroso when you were there....http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?p=193468#post193468
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I was trying to make some cash out of the truck but the reason I posted it..Is because Adam found out so I figured the whole world would know after he knew it...I already have a race set up down here for some real cash I'm just waiting for the other party to finish..Supposedly now he blew his truck up but is in the process of rebuilding it...He thinks I don't know but this World is large but very small at times...

[VERYFAST6.0]

lets race..bring it to BG and its on!


cause its only in his territory..thats why they havent accepted..he has nothing to loose..say we travel to him..and he says I blew up the (trans,turbo etc,etc..) yesterday..we are out of the time and money..with nothing to show for..if he travels to BG or suncoast..and blows up anything (turbo trans etc,etc..) then ok..its fair..he has something to loose..his time and money..and we could say well..atleast he tried..and just traveling would show that he has faith it what he 'thinks' he has. But he is scared to travel..thats why this whole situation is absurd, and his credibility is 0 now..being as like 8 different post he has said that he was done and wouldnt reply anymore until he had video and timeslips..and even follows with a 'goodbye' yet continues to come here and post WITHOUT videos and or timeslips..


Ok,Let me take a few minutes here and teach you about racing there buddy...


1..When you set up a race you set a date and you freeze(DEPOSIT) some money..
But why set a date and freeze some money...Reason being you set a date to know when it is going to be If you don't show up for whatever reason it maybe you lose the deposit money and that will cover the other party's expenses and valuable time...

2..If you line up as soon as both vehicle tires just move from the starting line the race is ON so make sure you're ready...

3..If one vehicle moves and the other doesn't the person that moved has to become back to the line...

Any other question that you may have feel free to ask...

On my previous post I said about a race that we had for money it was suppose to be the first week of December..The guy called us and said he wasn't ready we were couteous enough to post pone the race to January..Now we hear he blew up...We don't want to take the money he froze we want to make it a race at the track...

And trust me if you decide to race me down here..I will not be playing around with my truck burning it..Because I know it's ready..Just let me know a date and how much money you want to freeze..Immokale.County Line,and Moroso....

[Abrannan19]

I will freeze 100 bucks (big spender) and the date will be April 26 2008 Bowling Green Kentucky.

[Abrannan19]

I am sure others will wager something just to get you to leave Dade..unless you are on house arrest like I suspect.

[whiteduallyil]

You have no idea how to race what rules are you going by real racers race by the light none of that BS you leave before the other you have to come back, real racers by when the light goes green your gone LOL.

hell il put 100 bucks done for him to show up in KY in april.

[Abrannan19]

those are the cuban rules to racing.

[Abrannan19]

people already put up a 500 dollar fuel card..free accommodations and a free dyno..maybe I didn't phrase in his racing language..

what is:
I will FREEZE 500$ fuel card, hotel accommodations and a free dyno..date will be Feb. 2nd location Ft. Walton Beach..its in Florida.

I know you only know 4 places in FL..

[VERYFAST6.0]

I will freeze 100 bucks (big spender) and the date will be April 26 2008 Bowling Green Kentucky.

You're FULL OF SHIT cause you know you and I ain't going to No KENTUCKY I have to work for a living..You live in Jacksonville and I live in Miami..Bradenton is in Orlando its halfway from both of us....Bring your 04 Kingranch and gather your COMPADRES(buddys)and come up with some real money....

[VERYFAST6.0]

those are the cuban rules to racing.

Nah those are the real racing rules..I'm sure WAO RACING can tell you about them..I'm sure he's raced at the street and track and knows about them..By the way he's not a Cuban..

[heinzboy]

I will hold ALL cash transactions until the race is over. Deal?

[VERYFAST6.0]

people already put up a 500 dollar fuel card..free accommodations and a free dyno..maybe I didn't phrase in his racing language..

what is:
I will FREEZE 500$ fuel card, hotel accommodations and a free dyno..date will be Feb. 2nd location Ft. Walton Beach..its in Florida.

I know you only know 4 places in FL..

Adam, Don't change the subject I already said LOCAL DYNOS..I'll make an effort and travel to Orlando to just race you..100?That won't even cover a diesel tank?If you accept the challenge let me know and please gather up some folks and some real money,If not just keep on with your Internet Racing....

[whiteduallyil]

you come up to KY and il throw 500 cash in the pot. you want to race for real come to a real diesel race till then your a pussy can go and live in your own world cause your numbers are pointless. anybody anytime can say what their power is but those claims are invalid till proven in front of people on a dyno then unbiased race. and those are bullshit racing rules. you have pre stage beams roll in both car pre stage, then roll in to stage beams both cars roll in then the when the botton is pushed the tree takes over green go, if your late and the other guy is on youve lost more then likely. none of that bullshit if your late he comes back what the ^&* do you get that from???????????

[Abrannan19]

show me that in a rule book.

I didn't change the subject..it has been the same subject the whole time.


just give me one good reason why you wont leave Florida? or travel further then 2 hours? come on frankie..come to suncoast.

[VERYFAST6.0]

you come up to KY and il throw 500 cash in the pot. you want to race for real come to a real diesel race till then your a pussy can go and live in your own world cause your numbers are pointless. anybody anytime can say what their power is but those claims are invalid till proven in front of people on a dyno then unbiased race. and those are bullshit racing rules. you have pre stage beams roll in both car pre stage, then roll in to stage beams both cars roll in then the when the botton is pushed the tree takes over green go, if your late and the other guy is on youve lost more then likely. none of that bullshit if your late he comes back what the ^&* do you get that from???????????

That's track Mr Einstein..What about street racing have you ever done that what about racing in the track with no lights..Dam get those 500 and alot more go to Orlando also make sure to bring a 6.0 street truck like mine..Or if not whatever you bring will be covered..Come to an agreement with Adam that way both of you can bring your trucks and race

[Abrannan19]

so we are gonna use street racing rules at the track..that makes sense?!?!

[VERYFAST6.0]

show me that in a rule book.

I didn't change the subject..it has been the same subject the whole time.


just give me one good reason why you wont leave Florida? or travel further then 2 hours? come on frankie..come to suncoast.

Adam what's wrong with the Orlando track?And the dyno were you last dynoed here in Hialeah...You did 438 and you were content with those numbers you didn't doubt that dyno..I already said I ain't go no where why should I? I'm not the unbeliever I don't have to go no one..All of the unbelievers come to me...Are you down with the race in Orlando or what?

[VERYFAST6.0]

so we are gonna use street racing rules at the track..that makes sense?!?!

If you decide to race without lights like that you won't redlight they will apply..

[Abrannan19]

i am down for a race at BG..like I stated..thats it and thats all..sorry it is not a six figure wager like I guess you are expecting.

[VERYFAST6.0]

i am down for a race at BG..like I stated..thats it and thats all..sory it is a six figure wager like I guess you are expecting.

Dam, Did you have such a bad experience when you came down to Miami last time?Come down here Doug fine tunes your truck and we race like that you won't have any excuse..Bring it and it will be covered.. We do love to Gamble here..

[whiteduallyil]

come to KY cause i know a few more people who will race your ass if your trucks is that fast you could go home with some serious bank and by the way what kind of money are you talking about putting up for this. just come to KY and if your truck is what it is the big diesel pro may be kissing your ass if it what it is. but before any race you better damn well be popping the hood.

[VERYFAST6.0]

come to KY cause i know a few more people who will race your ass if your trucks is that fast you could go home with some serious bank and by the way what kind of money are you talking about putting up for this. just come to KY and if your truck is what it is the big diesel pro may be kissing your ass if it what it is. but before any race you better damn well be popping the hood.

:blahblah1::blahblah1::blahblah1:I've said already "SKY'S THE LIMIT" call it and it will be covered..Don't worry it is a 6.0..I race my 6.0 with a street 6.0 like mine same weight not no tube framed truck...Besides anything that you bring we'll match it...When you race for money you don't have to open the hood to nobody if you don't want too..Either you accept or just walk away...I already said Moroso,County Line,Immokalee I don't know what you don't understand about that..I don't need anyone to kiss my ass..I heard that there were calls made Today to the shop were I dynoed at and that there were some sad people and they come over here saying that I may have saw a 755 sheet and then they say it was backed up because the place built the truck?What kind of crap is that?

[mattsn]

wow this is going no where really fast .

[whiteduallyil]

wait a minute the entier point here is that you claim its a stock powered truck except for injectors and a stage of nitrous, so if you have to prove to us that it is what you claim to be so you have to pop the hood or this entire argument is mute. and you arnt matching anything the race is against your truck no matter what somebody brings to this race. but i could care less cause your so called dyno sheet is mute till it holds some credit and it doesnt. now you have twisted this so called race around it wass supposed to be you proveing what your truck makes at an unbiased dyno, then racing it and now you want everybody to go by your rules, i still dont understand just come to KY are you that big of a chicken shit jezz. i hate internet tough guys when in person their pussys who really need to use their truck to make up for an ego problem.

[VERYFAST6.0]

wait a minute the entier point here is that you claim its a stock powered truck except for injectors and a stage of nitrous, so if you have to prove to us that it is what you claim to be so you have to pop the hood or this entire argument is mute. and you arnt matching anything the race is against your truck no matter what somebody brings to this race. but i could care less cause your so called dyno sheet is mute till it holds some credit and it doesnt. now you have twisted this so called race around it wass supposed to be you proveing what your truck makes at an unbiased dyno, then racing it and now you want everybody to go by your rules, i still dont understand just come to KY are you that big of a chicken shit jezz. i hate internet tough guys when in person their pussys who really need to use their truck to make up for an ego problem.

HOLD YOUR HORSES THERE BILLY BOB....YES,I WOULD OPEN MY HOOD AT THE DYNO TO PROVE WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE STOCK PARTS THAT I CLAIM...Now the race between me and you is MY TRUCK VS YOUR TRUCK...Or what,you can't back up your mouth with your own property or are you going to bring your booty partners truck...I count on racing with my own shit no one elses...If you bring me a tube frame truck a dodge a chevy anything..Then we'll match it with another truck...BUT IF YOU BRING YOUR 6.0 I'LL RACE YOU WITH MINE....YOU ARE THE ONE LOOKING LIKE A PUSSY HAVING TO BRING SOMEONE ELSES SHIT..WHAT'S THE MATTER AIN'T YOUR TRUCK FAST ENOUGH?

[whiteduallyil]

never said i would bring anyone elses truck ever i have 2 trucks that can race BUT i never said i had a 6.0L. please reread all 5 pages here and find where i ever mentioned i have a 6.0L. personally if you come to KY i'l race you with my 5.9L LOL.

[VERYFAST6.0]

never said i would bring anyone elses truck ever i have 2 trucks that can race BUT i never said i had a 6.0L. please reread all 5 pages here and find where i ever mentioned i have a 6.0L. personally if you come to KY i'l race you with my 5.9L LOL.

5.9 We'll race it with a mega cab....

[whiteduallyil]

no veryfast YOUR TRUCK vs. mine whats wrong

[whiteduallyil]

so whos the pussy now that you want to use someones else truck to go against me this was about your truck vs whatever.

[VERYFAST6.0]

no veryfast YOUR TRUCK vs. mine whats wrong

As I always said my 6.0 VS A 6.0...But now that you say you have a 5.9 I'll race you it has to be a dailydriving truck like mine...Come to Florida

[ralphinnj]

Isn't someone going to throw a punch already? Just kidding....but in the olden days (from where I come from), we'd of said "enough of this bullshit, let's settle this!"

Let's assess the facts. I'm just trying to get this conversation back on track. Bullying each other on who knows how to race or why one person or the other won't travel to the other isn't going to solve this. Here is what we know:

-VF (sorry, didn't catch your 1st name) claims 755RWHP and has a dyno slip to support his claim. A call to the dynbo shop confirms the runs. It would be extremely helpful to get the torque data. You can't calculate HP without torque. it is there in the data files somewhere. Get it.

-VF claims he has 190cc injectors, plenty of N2O and basically stock everything else (except ARP's and a fuel system). We have no way to know whether they are 190's or 275's or even more other than what VF claims. VF purchased them 2nd hand, so he probably can't be sure. Probably need a FMC diesel tech to bench flow test them (but this is not going to be easy).

-Basic calculations show that 190's should not be able to deliver enough fuel to make more than ~600RWHP. This is based on a simple calculation, it need to be checked.

-The dyno chart misses the torque curves, or at least that is the claim. VF has not explained the difference between the lower curves (around 430RWHP) and the upper ones that peak at 755. A rough calculation shows the 755 could be the torque (HP=TQ*RPM/5252). This needs to be explained.

The bottom line is that a true 190 is very unlikely to be able to make 755RWHP. I think there is no way, but I am leaving the benefit of the doubt to things like "it is actually a much bigger injector." That is, maybe the truck did lay down 755RWHP, and the lower curves are without NOS and the upper ones are full out with NOS. All it would take for this to happen would be a much larger injector than 190's. The NOS would take care of the rest.

So....until we can answer these issues, we will not put this question to bed. I would like to suggest we focus on answering these items.

Ralph

[whiteduallyil]

nicely put ralph very nice

[VERYFAST6.0]

Isn't someone going to throw a punch already? Just kidding....but in the olden days (from where I come from), we'd of said "enough of this bullshit, let's settle this!"

Let's assess the facts. I'm just trying to get this conversation back on track. Bullying each other on who knows how to race or why one person or the other won't travel to the other isn't going to solve this. Here is what we know:

-VF (sorry, didn't catch your 1st name) claims 755RWHP and has a dyno slip to support his claim. A call to the dynbo shop confirms the runs. It would be extremely helpful to get the torque data. You can't calculate HP without torque. it is there in the data files somewhere. Get it.

-VF claims he has 190cc injectors, plenty of N2O and basically stock everything else (except ARP's and a fuel system). We have no way to know whether they are 190's or 275's or even more other than what VF claims. VF purchased them 2nd hand, so he probably can't be sure. Probably need a FMC diesel tech to bench flow test them (but this is not going to be easy).

-Basic calculations show that 190's should not be able to deliver enough fuel to make more than ~600RWHP. This is based on a simple calculation, it need to be checked.

-The dyno chart misses the torque curves, or at least that is the claim. VF has not explained the difference between the lower curves (around 430RWHP) and the upper ones that peak at 755. A rough calculation shows the 755 could be the torque (HP=TQ*RPM/5252). This needs to be explained.

The bottom line is that a true 190 is very unlikely to be able to make 755RWHP. I think there is no way, but I am leaving the benefit of the doubt to things like "it is actually a much bigger injector." That is, maybe the truck did lay down 755RWHP, and the lower curves are without NOS and the upper ones are full out with NOS. All it would take for this to happen would be a much larger injector than 190's. The NOS would take care of the rest.

So....until we can answer these issues, we will not put this question to bed. I would like to suggest we focus on answering these items.

Ralph

Ralph, You are a sincere person and seem to have alot of knowledge with your theorys. (I felt the same enough of this bullshit lets settle this)The 470's and 480's were on #2 I think it's kind of low because it has the same regular race tune that I used for my stock injectors it idles great and it also has a stock turbo therefore it won't clean the unburned fuel..And the 739,749,755 were ofcourse on the NOS..The owner sold them to me as 190's and they were sold to him by Doug at Direct Injection as 190's also...

If you have any question about the dyno operation please feel free to call Gabby at 305 447 5433 and he will gladly answer any of your questions.. I can't answer any of the correction factors because I am not familiar with that stuff...All I know is that it is a Dyno JET...I agree why can't we all just have a normal conversation ,race ,and have fun..I don't like any of the disrespecting going on..But, I do have to defend myself when I have been disrespected... By the way my Name is Frank but everybody calls me Frankie..

Thanks
Frank

[dalpilot]

That's track Mr Einstein..What about street racing have you ever done that what about racing in the track with no lights..Dam get those 500 and alot more go to Orlando also make sure to bring a 6.0 street truck like mine..Or if not whatever you bring will be covered..Come to an agreement with Adam that way both of you can bring your trucks and race



Ya know I was gonna cut you some slack, right till you pulled this. Its dumbass nitwits like you that are gonna fuck shit up for the rest of us. Street race? WHy the fuck would ya street race, when there are tons of tracks that you can do it legally, or are you just so fucking cool that you can handle an 8000# truck rolling down a public street with other people. Man if your idea of racing is what you do on the street, then you are a freakin punk. Don't risk others lives because your sorry 22 year old ass doesn't want to play by the rules. Be a man and take it to the track. You want to make it interesting, I got a little 6.0, and it will be in Bowling green. Show up, put up 5 large, and we can put this all to bed. I don't race street rules, I race Strip rules. When the light changes, you better be on the fuckin pedal, cause I promise ya the only way your gonna beat me is with a 2 second head start.

Fuckin street racing. :upyours:

http://fondecran001.free.fr/cinema/f/fast_and_furious/fast_and_furious_003.jpg

[Santa Gertrudis]

Awesome post Tim!!!! THANK YOU!

[dalpilot]

Actually Colin, its a shitty post, but I have had 44 ounces of Bud Light, and I can't stand someone who feels he has to prove his "manhood" by risking the lives of those around him on a street in an 8000 pound sledge hammer. For the record, its an insult to those who are making the numbers that he post by posting them with the mods he is claiming. Frankie, you can add all the NOS you want, but unless your adding fuel somewhere, you cannot get to those numbers. You may have a dyno sheet that says it, but the track doesn't lie. In the future, perhaps you should take it to the track, not Ponch Via Blvd, and have some times to back up such an outlandish claim. Sorry for being a dick, but what your claiming is simply not possible. Its certainly possible to make that power in the 6.0, (trust me, I know), but it takes more than your admitting.

[_CH_]

Ya know I was gonna cut you some slack, right till you pulled this. Its dumbass nitwits like you that are gonna fuck shit up for the rest of us. Street race? WHy the fuck would ya street race, when there are tons of tracks that you can do it legally, or are you just so fucking cool that you can handle an 8000# truck rolling down a public street with other people. Man if your idea of racing is what you do on the street, then you are a freakin punk. Don't risk others lives because your sorry 22 year old ass doesn't want to play by the rules. Be a man and take it to the track. You want to make it interesting, I got a little 6.0, and it will be in Bowling green. Show up, put up 5 large, and we can put this all to bed. I don't race street rules, I race Strip rules. When the light changes, you better be on the fuckin pedal, cause I promise ya the only way your gonna beat me is with a 2 second head start.

Fuckin street racing. :upyours:

http://fondecran001.free.fr/cinema/f/fast_and_furious/fast_and_furious_003.jpg

:hehe::hehe:
timhah for president!


I dont understand the need to exactly match the truck - mega cab megacab? WTF is the point? especially since youre so (unreasonably) adamant about the 'street racing rules'. PLEASE find me someone who considers themselves to be a street racer that will ONLY race a vehicle of like make, model, mods, etc.

BTW - we ALL know why you should race at the track, both from a rules, saftey, and conditional standpoint but you have yet to give any reason to street race?

Finally (for this post obviously - i wouldnt want there to be any ambiguity about my intentions here :rolleyes:)..... nor have you given a reason why everyone should come to you when youre the one with a claim to substantiate. If you didnt want to have people question you, etc then why did you make said claim?
There are innumerable people out there who race (boats, cars, trucks, anything with a 'non human' power source really) or indeed compete in general (shooting, playing a sport, etc) - who make the #s but dont care to share and are content simply knowing they can do it/win/etc; this is obviously not the case for you. Hence YOU are the one with something to prove in this instance and asking you to travel to do so is not unreasonable - both parties traveling to a mutually neutral grounds is even more gracious. You say you work for a living - this is certainly no excuse when any number of people have offered to compensate you not only for your food/fuel/accommodation but for your time as well.


since its painfully obvious youre unwilling to make any sort of concession all there seems to be left is to reiterate:

:blahblah1::blahblah1::blahblah1:
SLIPS AND VIDEOS PLEASE
:dead-horse-fast2: :dead-horse-fast2:

[whiteduallyil]

awesome post dalpilot just plain awesome. and very well put

[VERYFAST6.0]

Ya know I was gonna cut you some slack, right till you pulled this. Its dumbass nitwits like you that are gonna fuck shit up for the rest of us. Street race? WHy the fuck would ya street race, when there are tons of tracks that you can do it legally, or are you just so fucking cool that you can handle an 8000# truck rolling down a public street with other people. Man if your idea of racing is what you do on the street, then you are a freakin punk. Don't risk others lives because your sorry 22 year old ass doesn't want to play by the rules. Be a man and take it to the track. You want to make it interesting, I got a little 6.0, and it will be in Bowling green. Show up, put up 5 large, and we can put this all to bed. I don't race street rules, I race Strip rules. When the light changes, you better be on the fuckin pedal, cause I promise ya the only way your gonna beat me is with a 2 second head start.

Fuckin street racing. :upyours:

http://fondecran001.free.fr/cinema/f/fast_and_furious/fast_and_furious_003.jpg

I never disrespected you....First of all WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH HOW YOU TALK TO ME...If I race in the street that's my problem...It sure as hell will be in a private street where there are no intersections..I ain't the only here that does...And that little piece of shit you have don't even talk about it because you can't do shit with it right now it's all in Pieces and you don't even know if it's going to work....When ever you get it done I will race you but not with my truck though....Bring that red 4x4 abomination you have and lets run for those 5 big ones....IN FLORIDA..

[whiteduallyil]

and CH another WELL placed post hats off to the both of you

[whiteduallyil]

I never disrespected you....First WATCH YOUR FUCKING MOUTH HOW YOU TALK TO ME...If I race in the street it sure as hell will be in a private street where there are no intersections..I ain't the only here that does...And that little piece of shit you have don't even talk about it because you can't do shit with it right now it's all in Pieces and you don't even know if it's going to work....When ever you get it done I will race you but not with my truck though....Bring that red 4x4 abomination you have and lets run for those 5 big ones....IN FLORIDA..

YOU FUCKING PUNK, YOU JUST HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE YOUR CALLING OUT THE WRONG PEOPLE SON. :badidea::upyours:

STREET RACING JUST PLAIN DUMB I DONT CARE IF ITS ON A PRIVATE STREET OR NOT, I HOPE THE GOD THE NEXT TIME YOUR OUT RACING A COP BUSTS YOU AND TAKES YOUR POS TRUCK FOR GOOD AS YOU WALK YOUR ASS HOME.

ONCE AGAIN YOU TALK BIG AND BAD ABOUT YOUR TRUCK AND CALL OTHERS PUSSYS FOR USING ANOTHERS TRUCK THEN YOU CALL OUT A REAL FAST TRUCK THEN SAY IL RACE YOU BUT NOT IN MY TRUCK WHERES THE BALLS IN THAT YOU FUCKNUT.

[VERYFAST6.0]

YOU FUCKING PUNK, YOU JUST HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ANYONE YOUR CALLING OUT THE WRONG PEOPLE SON. :badidea::upyours:

STREET RACING JUST PLAIN DUMB I DONT CARE IF ITS ON A PRIVATE STREET OR NOT, I HOPE THE GOD THE NEXT TIME YOUR OUT RACING A COP BUSTS YOU AND TAKES YOUR POS TRUCK FOR GOOD AS YOU WALK YOUR ASS HOME.

You can SUCK MY DICK......I Said that I would race either street or track...And at the track with street rules or with lights whatever....

[VERYFAST6.0]

I bet guys didn't think it was so wrong when UNBROKEN AND DAVID LOTT raced in the street huh it was hillarious huh?

[dalpilot]

Incorrect, you have disrespected every person that has ever modified there diesel by posting your Horse shit dyno numbers here without a time slip to back it up. I'll talk to you like the snot nosed little smart ass billy bad ass you think you are. I was around high performance engines when the best part of you ran down your mommas crack and became a brown stain on the mattress. For the record, the 5K was for the run in my red abomination, but your gonna have to make your way to TS if you want to give it a shot. Miami scares me, I'm just a poor little Texas boy. SO go borrow the 5K from your daddy, or little sister, and lets hit the track at TS.

[dalpilot]

I bet guys didn't think it was so wrong when UNBROKEN AND DAVID LOTT raced in the street huh it was hillarious huh?


Hey Dumbass, that was on a roll in traffic where they never got over 60, on a 55MPH road. Not the 115 1/4 mile speed that your "CLAIMED" and unverified 755 HP is gonna do. :banging::upyours:

[whiteduallyil]

I bet guys didn't think it was so wrong when UNBROKEN AND DAVID LOTT raced in the street huh it was hillarious huh?

ITS STILL NOT COOL BUT I DONT HEAR THEM BRAGING ABOUT STREET RACING AND THE BOTH OF THEM HAVE MORE REPSECT IN ONE STRAND OF HAIR THEN YOU WILL EVER GET FOR THE REST OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE. THEN AGAIN WHEN THEY GET CALLED OUT THEY MEET THE CHALLENGE BY THE WAY, THATS THE WAY THEY HAVE EARNED THEIR REPSECT.

[whiteduallyil]

Incorrect, you have disrespected every person that has ever modified there diesel by posting your Horse shit dyno numbers here without a time slip to back it up. I'll talk to you like the snot nosed little smart ass billy bad ass you think you are. I was around high performance engines when the best part of you ran down your mommas crack and became a brown stain on the mattress. For the record, the 5K was for the run in my red abomination, but your gonna have to make your way to TS if you want to give it a shot. Miami scares me, I'm just a poor little Texas boy. SO go borrow the 5K from your daddy, or little sister, and lets hit the track at TS.

FUCKNUT THAT MY NEW NAME FOR YOU FREDDIE, IF YOU JUST SHOWED UP TO KY IN APRIL AND RACED 3 PEOPLE YOU COULD GO HOME WITH 6 GRAND AND YOU STILL TURN IT DOWN. DALPILOT I LOVE THE MATRESS COMMENT THATS SWEET.

[whiteduallyil]

Ahh Guys He Left For The Night And Signed Out I Think Pilot Finally Got To Him.

[dalpilot]

He'll be back, Hemorhoids always are. I wish I could claim the line, but I borrowed it from Full Metal Jacket. LOL

[dalpilot]

I invited Greg, AKA: dockboy to share his thoughts on this thread. Should get interesting now. The sad part is, I kept an open mind until he started with the "Street racing" shit.

In his defense, I am sure Gabby has told him he has 755 HP. Gonna suck when it doesn't make it down the track like 755 HP. Poor Kid.

[whiteduallyil]

oh boy i cant wait for greg, thuggy was hanging around here for a bit too.

[heinzboy]

Hey Dumbass, that was on a roll in traffic where they never got over 60, on a 55MPH road. Not the 115 1/4 mile speed that your "CLAIMED" and unverified 755 HP is gonna do. :banging::upyours:

So it ok to Street Race as long as its under 60mph with High HP Trucks?

[whiteduallyil]

that boy has no respect for anyone, not only the street racing part but i love how he wants only matching pairs racing WTF is that. and that he thinks if you leave ahead of the other they get pulled back to the start what is that green or flag drop GO.

[dalpilot]

So it ok to Street Race as long as its under 60mph with High HP Trucks?

Not really, but I think we all know there is a hell of a difference between what they did, and what Frankie is wanting. F=MA. Thats an argument you would have to take up with them.:gr_cheers:

[whiteduallyil]

hey where talking about david here, he cant keep his trucks together over 80 anyway so no harm 294

[heinzboy]

Not really, but I think we all know there is a hell of a difference between what they did, and what Frankie is wanting. F=MA. Thats an argument you would have to take up with them.:gr_cheers:

I don't see the difference. Long Country Roads with NO people around would be a hell of alot safer than racing with traffic around.

[whiteduallyil]

hey i see greg is reading welcome to the fun greg want a beer

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[dalpilot]

A drag strip would be safer. Again you'll have to take that up with Richard and Lott. There is however a huge difference in going 60 in traffic, and going 110+ right, or are you in disagreement with that. I drove 80 last night on I-35, but I wasn't racing.

[Dockboy]

hey i see greg is reading welcome to the fun greg want a beer

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[VERYFAST6.0]

DALPILOT I don't have to borrow nothing from no one..As for the momma joke you better watch your fucking mouth how you talk..I never mentioned yours you fucking cock sucker....I know that you are pretty upset because you made that phone call today and were proven wrong but it's ok..
I don't care if they only rolled to 40 they still were drag racing you just have to learn how to respect it....



Whitedually
I respect everyone as long as they respect me I didnt come in here or no where disrespecting people's family and stuff...If you guys don't believe the sheet that's fine everyone has their right to denie believing it...I already said I would post videos when I get back from vacation..

What I will not tolerate from anyone is the disrespecting and making fun off...If you don't have nothing nice to say don't say it at all...

Anyone that has a problem and wants to talk shit disrespecting shit Hopefully One day we can meet and settle it....

[heinzboy]

I don't care if its on the street or on the track as long as the drivers or spectors don't get hurt or killed.

[whiteduallyil]

diesel world >297 < veryfast6.0L

[Dockboy]

This shit is kid stuff...That's why I hate all this internet bullshit...I've allways backed up what I've claimed I have never lied about my times..People have seen it...I'm done with this shit...

Hey Cumstain................

Exactly what kind of times have you put down at the track with this 755 hp?

And don't give me your hero Jorge excuse of the lights being out:banging: I want real time slips:eek:


Because I'll give you a hint.................

I have actual 750+ hp dyno sheets and times slips to back them up:rules:








And by the way............Street racing is for wanna-be Tony Montana's who hopefully kill themselves before they kill an innocent bystander:badidea:

[whiteduallyil]

well greg he just put a time slip of 12.66 which by the calculators he has 600 HP at wheels and 650 at the crank YAWN
http://photos.gogodiesel.com//showphoto.php?photo=834

[WAO Racing]

I heard Frankie trying to wake up a few more :dead-horse-fast2: to add to his :hehe:claim.

[dalpilot]

DALPILOT I don't have to borrow nothing from no one..As for the momma joke you better watch your fucking mouth how you talk..I never mentioned that bitch of yours you fucking cock sucker....I know that you are pretty upset because you made that phone call today and were proven wrong but it's ok..

Is that the best you can come up with? A YO mama joke.:hehe::hehe:

You want respect, come get it. Its not gained over the internet, its gained by being a man, and backing up what you say. You can't back a damned thing up, so why should you get any respect? You have been challenged to several races, but like the coward you are you will not accept a nuetral setting. Upset. I talked to Gabby who told me that you had in fact dynoed 50 or so times at near those same numbers. Great, then climb off of Gabbys coat tail, and put down the number on an unbiased Dyno. Do it on Dunbars. Your the one with the big claim tough guy, your the one that the burden of proof rest on. Go get some timeslips and video's and back up that number. Little info.......your can't unless your mods are different then what you are claiming.


Anyone that has a problem and wants to talk shit disrespecting shit Hopefully One day we can meet and settle it....


Come get ya some weeble wabble:

http://photos.gogodiesel.com/data/500/medium/IMG_0558.JPG

[VERYFAST6.0]

Hey Cumstain................

Exactly what kind of times have you put down at the track with this 755 hp?

And don't give me your hero Jorge excuse of the lights being out:banging: I want real time slips:eek:


Because I'll give you a hint.................

I have actual 750+ hp dyno sheets and times slips to back them up:rules:






And by the way............Street racing is for wanna-be Tony Montana's who hopefully kill themselves before they kill an innocent bystander:badidea:
Listen you OLD FAGGOT..To me your times ain't worth shit because that PIECE OF SHIT YOURS BLEW UP LIKE A FUCKING GERNADE.....Jorge backed up what he saw REMEMBER HE IS YOUR DADDY...I don't know if you can read right at your age But I've said over and over again That I will post timeslips and Videos as soon as I hit the track....

[whiteduallyil]

looks like a rice burning punk. im still waiting for the explantion on how his truck can pull 4500-5000 rpms to go 145 on his dyno run?

[Dockboy]

well greg he just put a time slip of 12.66 which by the calculators he has 600 HP at wheels and 650 at the crank YAWN
http://photos.gogodiesel.com//showphoto.php?photo=834

Funny.................

I was running 12.7 @ 107 @ 7800 lbs. with my 7.3 on #2 only............Guess what it dynoed at........................


565 rwhp


:hehe::owned:

[whiteduallyil]

Listen you OLD FAGGOT..To me your times ain't worth shit because that PIECE OF SHIT YOURS BLEW UP LIKE A FUCKING GERNADE.....Jorge backed up what he saw REMEMBER HE IS YOUR DADDY...I don't know if you can read right at your age But I've said over and over again That I will post timeslips and Videos as soon as I hit the track....

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OH BOY HEAR WE GO

[VERYFAST6.0]

well greg he just put a time slip of 12.66 which by the calculators he has 600 HP at wheels and 650 at the crank YAWN
http://photos.gogodiesel.com//showphoto.php?photo=834

You know that was along time ago when it had stock injectors

[dalpilot]

But I've said over and over again That I will post timeslips and Videos as soon as I hit the track....


Wit 755 HP you should be there nightly making $$$$$ so you can finally get that "Hooked on Phonics" Course you need. 1-800-ABC-DEFG.

[Santa Gertrudis]

Listen you OLD FAGGOT..To me your times ain't worth shit because that PIECE OF SHIT YOURS BLEW UP LIKE A FUCKING GERNADE.....Jorge backed up what he saw REMEMBER HE IS YOUR DADDY...I don't know if you can read right at your age But I've said over and over again That I will post timeslips and Videos as soon as I hit the track....

Learn to spell, dipshit

[VERYFAST6.0]

Funny.................

I was running 12.7 @ 107 @ 7800 lbs. with my 7.3 on #2 only............Guess what it dynoed at........................


565 rwhp


:hehe::owned:

That's the same power mine was making when it had the stock injectors and nitrous

[dalpilot]

You know that was along time ago when it had stock injectors

Just so we are all clear you ran a 12.6 with stock turbo and injectors? :hehe::hehe::hehe: Your fucking delusional.

[Dockboy]

You know that was along time ago when it had stock injectors

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You really are a punk aren't you?:banging:

That statement just let me know you aren't worth the effort:dead-horse-fast2::upyours:

[whiteduallyil]

and in gregs defense your going to blow your 6.0 and trans up like nasa shoved a rockets underr the hood and il wish i was there to spary the parts in your face as you go WHAT HAPPENED DAMN IM TOO STUPID TO BUILD MY TRUCK THE RIGHT WAY.

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[dalpilot]

That flux capacitor is working well for ya. Dude, I was wrong, you must be making 755, cause no body could make shit up like this. I apologize.

[VERYFAST6.0]

Wit 755 HP you should be there nightly making $$$$$ so you can finally get that "Hooked on Phonics" Course you need. 1-800-ABC-DEFG.

What you need to do is get off of your roll models dick and post some numbers on your own with your own parts better than that 13.9 run at houston with all that nitrous and shit:hehe:thats freaking embarasing thats what a stock 6.0 runs on just plain #2.....

[whiteduallyil]

Just so we are all clear you ran a 12.6 with stock turbo and injectors? :hehe::hehe::hehe: Your fucking delusional.

OH SNAP :hehe::hehe::hehe::rules:

[VERYFAST6.0]

Just so we are all clear you ran a 12.6 with stock turbo and injectors? :hehe::hehe::hehe: Your fucking delusional.

Delusional 12.6 with just spray and tune and stock injectors...The fastest you've gone has been 13.9

[Santa Gertrudis]

What you need to do is get off of your roll models dick and post some numbers better than that 13.9 run at houston with all that nitrous and shit:hehe:thats freaking embarasing thats what a stock 6.0 runs on just plain #2.....


If you would research a little more, you would find that he HAS posted better numbers than that.